> organizations make their own messenger, and the fact that these organizations then have control over their own messenger ... means their employees won't use it

Legally mandate its use for official communications.

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subscribed 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

And they'll keep doing what Boris Johnson was doing when in power: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-covid...

They'll do it anyway.

	▲	WhatIsDukkha 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		This is helpful because it makes the criminality stand out. Because, yes, in democracies we have public records laws.

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spwa4 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So the managers also demand their employees don't use it you mean? Because then it can be used against them in court? (cfr. email "retention policies" legal departments demand these days?)

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wolvoleo 2 days ago | parent [-]

In most European countries we don't have this extensive discovery thing that the US has. It's not really a problem.

	▲	spwa4 a day ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, you do. First of all, in UK, it's almost exactly the same. In Europe under Napoleon law (most of the continent), it's the judge who decides to assign someone who gets to do discovery. Which means in practice the state (police, Tax service, ministries, ...) get to do any discovery they want, including things that would never fly in the US (e.g. have you ever known a judge to allow discovery on a bank account and blocking it for the duration of the case?) And in private cases, usually there is very limited discovery, and only by an independent lawyer, not on either side, assigned by the judge. It's very different, with different pros and cons. Given that large companies keep leaving the EU, and I bet this is a (granted, minor) factor in that.