its a drug. that is how it works. they ration it before the new stuff. seeing legends of programming shilling it pains me the most. so far there are a few decent non insane public people talking about it :Mitchel Hashimoto, Jeremy Howard, Casei Muratori. hell even DHH drank the coolaid while most of his interviews in the past years was how he went away from AWS and reduced the bill from 3 million to 1millions by basically loosing 9s, resiliency and availability. but it seems he is fine with loosing what makes his business work(programming) to a company that sells Overpowered stack overflow slot machines.

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heurist 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I work with some 'legends of programming' and they're all excited about it. I am too, though I am not a legend. It really is changing the game as a valid new technology, and it's not just a 'slot machine'. Anthropic is burning their goodwill though with their lack of QA or intentional silent degradation.

	▲	retinaros 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		it is a slot machine. you win a lot if what you do is in the dataset. and yes most of enterprise software is likely in it as it is quite basic CRUD API/WebUI. the winning doesnt change the fact that it is a slot machine and you just need one big loss to end your work. as long as you introduce plans you introduce a push to optimize for cost vs quality. that is what burnt cursor before CC and Codex. They now will be too. Then one day everything will be remote in OAI and Anthropic server. and there won't be a way to tell what is happening behind. Claude Code is already at this level. Showing stuff like "Improvising..." while hiding COT and adding a bunch of features as quick as they can.

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dyauspitr 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The fact that they might gimp it in the future doesn’t mean it does offer very real world value right now. If you’re not using an LLM to code, you’re basically a dinosaur now. You’re forcing yourself to walk while everyone else is in a vehicle, and a good vehicle at that that gets you to your destination in one piece.

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retinaros 3 hours ago | parent [-]

as an overpowered stack overflow machine this is quite good and a huge jump. As a prompt to code generator with yolo mode (the one advertised by those companies) it is alternating between good to trash and every single person that works away from the distribution of the SFT dataset can know this. I understand that this dataset is huge tho and I can see the value in it. I just think in the long term it brings more negatives.

If you vibecode CRUD APIs and react/shadcn UIs then I understand it might look amazing.

	▲	dyauspitr 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, definitely CRUDs but also iPhone applications, highly performant financial software (its kdb queries are better than 95% of humans), database structure and querying and embedded systems are other things it’s surprisingly good at. When you take all of those into account there’s very little else left.

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throwaway9980 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, he's a real looser. Meanwhile loosers on HN are in denial and unleashing looser mentality attacks on people who accept reality. Loosing your grip on reality is a real looser move. What a looser.

Why not try some AI tools, what have you got to loose?

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bloppe 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think you're loosing your ability to spell

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retinaros 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

never said he was a looser. just that his take on genAi coding doesnt align with his previous battles for freedom away from Cloud. OAI and Anthropic have a stronger lock in than any cloud infra company.

you got everything to loose by giving your knowledge and job to closedAI and anthropic.

just look at markets like office suite to understand how the end plays.

	▲	bloppe 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Is office suite supposed to be an example of lock-in? I haven't used it since middle school. I've worked at 3 companies and, to the best of my knowledge, not a single person at any of them used office suite. That's not to say we use pen and paper. We just use google docs, or notion, or (my personal favorite) just markdown and possibly LaTeX. I think it's somewhat analogous with models. Sure, you could bind yourself to a bunch of bespoke features, but that's probably a bad idea. Try to make it as easy as possible for yourself to swap out models and even use open-weight models if you ever need to. You will get locked into the technology in general, though, just not a particular vendor's product.
	▲	throwaway9980 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Those jobs are as good as loost already. There's no endgame where knowledge workers keep knowledge working they way they have been knowledge working. Adapt or be a loosing looser forever.
	▲	jibal 32 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		loser (Didn't you notice being mocked for the spelling error?)