Genuine question, why have you chosen to phrase this scraping and distillation as an attack? I'm imagining you're doing it because that's how Anthropic prefers to frame it, but isn't scraping and distillation, with some minor shuffling of semantics, exactly what Anthropic and co did to obtain their own position? And would it be valid to interpret that as an attack as well?

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irthomasthomas 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you ask claude in chinese it thinks its deepseek.

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DrammBA 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I'm imagining you're doing it because that's how Anthropic prefers to frame it

Correct.

> would it be valid to interpret that as an attack as well?

Yup.

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fragmede 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Firehosing Anthropic to exfiltrate their model seems materially different than Anthropic downloading all of the Internet to create the model in the first place to me. But maybe that's just me?

	▲	jdiff 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I don't see the material difference in firehosing anthropic vs anthropic firehosing random sites on the internet. As someone who runs a few of those random sites, I've had to take actions that increase my costs (and burn my time) to mitigate a new host of scrapers constantly firing at every available endpoint, even ones specifically marked as off limits.
	▲	robrenaud 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yeah, it's different. Anthropic profits when it delivers tokens. Hosting providers pay when Anthropic scrapes them.