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cjbarber 4 hours ago

> Non-technical users expect a CEO's secretary from TV/movies: you do a vague request, the secretary does everything for you. LLMs cannot give you that by their own nature.

What are you using today? In my experience LLMs are already pretty good at this.

> Please for the love of god actually go outside and talk to people outside of the tech bubble.

In the past week I've taught a few non-technical friends, who are well outside the tech bubble, don't live in the SF Bay Area, etc, how to use Cowork. I did this for fun and for curiosity. One takeaway is that people at startups working on these products would benefit from spending more time sitting with and onboarding users - they're very powerful and helpful once people get up and running, but people struggle to get up and running.

> People don't want "personalized interfaces that change every second based on the whims of an unknowable black box". They have plenty of that already.

I obviously agree with this, I think where our view differs is I expect that models will be able to get good at making custom interfaces, and then help the user personalize it to their tasks. I agree that users don't want something that changes all the time. But they do want something that fits them and fits their task. Artifacts on Claude and Canvas on ChatGPT are early versions of this.

troupo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> What are you using today? In my experience LLMs are already pretty good at this.

LLMS are good at "find me a two week vacation two months from now"?

Or at "do my taxes"?

> how to use Cowork.

Yes, and I taught my mom how to use Apple Books, and have to re-teach her every time Apple breaks the interface.

Ask your non-tech friends what they do with and how they feel about Cowork in a few weeks.

> I think where our view differs is I expect that models will be able to get good at making custom interfaces, and then help the user personalize it to their tasks.

How many users you see personalizing anything to their task? Why would they want every app to be personalized? There's insane value in consistency across apps and interfaces. How will apps personalize their UIs to every user? By collecting even more copious amounts of user data?

jeffgreco 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> LLMS are good at "find me a two week vacation two months from now"?

Yes?

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edit: Just tested it with that exact prompt on Claude. It asked me who I was traveling with, what type of trip and budget (with multiple choice buttons) and gave me a detailed itinerary with links to buy the flights ( https://www.kayak.com/flights/ORD-LIS/2026-06-13/OPO-ORD/202... )

baq 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Or at "do my taxes"?

codex did my taxes this year (well it actually implemented a normalization pipeline and a tax computing engine which then did the taxes, but close enough)

William_BB 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> well it actually implemented a normalization pipeline and a tax computing engine which then did the taxes, but close enough

You can't seriously believe laymen will try to implement their own tax calculators.

baq 3 hours ago | parent [-]

of course not.

what I believe is that laymen will put all their tax docs into codex and tell it to 'do their taxes' and the tool will decide to implement the calculator, do the taxes and present only the final numbers. the layman won't even know there was a calculator implemented.

William_BB 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, good luck trusting the output!

baq 2 hours ago | parent [-]

check back in a couple of years!

William_BB 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah right! Reminds me of AGI by 2025 :D

tsimionescu 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If your prompt was more complex than "do my taxes", then this is irrelevant.

baq 3 hours ago | parent [-]

it was many hours of working with codex, guidance and comparing to known-good outputs from previous years, but a sufficiently smart model would be able to just do it without any steering; it'd still take hours, but my input wouldn't be necessary. a harness for getting this done probably exists today, gastown perhaps or something that the frontier labs are sitting on.

troupo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> but a sufficiently smart model would be able to just do it without any steering;

Yeah, yeah, we've heard "our models will be doing everything" for close to three years now.

> a harness for getting this done probably exists today, gastown perhaps

That got a chuckle and a facepalm out of me. I would at least consider you half-serious if you said "openclaw", at least those people pretend to be attempting to automate their lives through LLMs (with zero tangible results, and with zero results available to non-tech people).

ravenstine 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds fascinating! If you wrote an article on this I bet it'd have a good shot at making it to the home page of HN.

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