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uberduper 7 hours ago

Do people really want codex to have control over their computer and apps?

I'm still paranoid about keeping things securely sandboxed.

entropicdrifter 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Programmers mostly don't. Ordinary people see figuring out how to use the computer as a hindrance rather than empowering, they want Star Trek. They want "computer, plan my next vacation to XYZ for me" to lay out a full itinerary and offer to buy the tickets and make the reservations.

Knowledge work is work most people don't really want to deal with. Ordinary people don't put much value into ideas regardless of their level of refinement

threetonesun 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I was talking about this "plan a trip" example somewhere else, and I don't think we're prepared for the amount of scams and fleecing that will sit between "computer, make my trip so" and what it comes back with.

cortesoft 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have been a programmer for 30 years and have loved every minute of it. I love figuring out how to get my computers to do what I want.

I also want Star Trek, though. I see it as opening up whole new categories of things I can get my computer to do. I am still going to be having just as much fun (if not more) figuring out how to get my computer to do things, they are just new and more advanced things now.

entropicdrifter 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm on the same page, personally, but what I was trying to emphasize with my previous comment is that the non-tech people only want Star Trek

shaan7 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Well thats good then, it means that they'll always need the likes of Scotty, LaForge, Torres and O'Brien ;)

0x457 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I did a friends trip where it was planned by ChatGPT recently. It was so bad, also it couldn't figure out japanese railroads.

whstl 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They want "computer, plan my next vacation to XYZ for me" to lay out a full itinerary and offer to buy the tickets and make the reservations.

Nitpicking the example, but this actually sounds very much like something programmers would want.

Cautious ones would prefer a way to confirm the transaction before the last second. But IMO that goes for anyone, not just programmers.

Also I get the feeling the interest in "computers" is 50/50 for developers. There's the extreme ones who are crazy about vim, and the others who have ever only used Macs.

andai 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Ordinary people don't put much value into ideas regardless of their level of refinement

This seems true to me, though I'm not sure how it connects here?

pelasaco 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

assuming that developers aren't Ordinary people...

skydhash 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not the parent.

People want to do stuff, and they want to get it done fast and in a pretty straightforward manner. They don’t want to follow complicated steps (especially with conditional) and they don’t want to relearn how to do it (because the vendor changes the interface).

So the only thing they want is a very simple interface (best if it’s a single button or a knob), and then for the expected result to happen. Whatever exists in the middle doesn’t matter as long as the job is done.

So an interface to the above may be a form with the start and end date, a location, and a plan button. Then all the activities are show where the user selects the one he wants and clicks a final Buy button. Then a confirmation message is displayed.

Anything other than that or that obscure what is happening (ads, network error, agents malfunctioning,…) is an hindrance and falls under the general “this product does not work”.

shimman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ordinary people absolutely hate AI and AI products. There is a reason why all these LLM providers are absolutely failing at capturing consumers. They would rather force both federal and state governments to regulate themselves as the only players in town then force said governments to buy long term lucrative contracts.

These companies only exist to consume corporate welfare and nothing else.

Everyone hates this garbage, it's across the political spectrum. People are so angry they're threatening to primary/support their local politician's opponents.

bitmasher9 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think clicking buttons on a Mac is a particularly scary barrier. It’s not anymore scary then running an LLM in agent mode with a very large number of auto-approve programs and walking away for 15 minutes.

andoando 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I want it yes. I already feel like Im the one doing the dumb work for the AI of manually clicking windows and typing in a command here or there it cant do.

Ive also been getting increasingly annoyed with how tedious it is to do the same repetitive actions for simple tasks.

krzyk 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are people running OpenClaw, so yeah, crazy as it sounds, some do that.

I'm reluctant to run any model without at least a docker.

storus 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I run them all on an old Pentium J (Atom) NUC with 8GB RAM, so I don't even care. Some Chinese N100 mini PC for $100 is all one needs.

naiv 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It repaired an astonishing messed up permission issue on my mac

uberduper 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I did some work on an agent that was supposed to demonstrate a learning pipeline. I figured having it fix broken linux servers with some contrived failures would make for a good example if it getting stuck, having to get some assistance to progress, and then having a better capability for handling that class of failure in the future.

I couldn't come up with a single failure mode the agent with a gpt5.x model behind it couldn't one shot. I created socket overruns.. dangling file descriptors.. badly configured systemd units.. busted route tables.. "failed" volume mounts..

Had to start creating failures of internal services the models couldn't have been trained on and it was still hard to have scenarios it couldn't one shot.

phillmv 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

giving these things control over your actual computer is a nightmare waiting to happen – i think its irresponsible to encourage it. there ought to be a good real sandbox sitting between this thing and your data.

jborden13 an hour ago | parent [-]

Hard agree. I'm on vacation in Mexico atm and when I get back I get to repair my OS because I gave codex full control over my system before I left. Was rushing trying to reorganize my project files to get up to the GitHub before I left. Instead it deleted my OS user profile and bonked my system.

jpalomaki 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think people want that, but they are willing to accept that in order to get stuff done.

avereveard 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

can't test pygame otherwise :D