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soapdog 11 hours ago

oh mozilla, why don't you just focus on Firefox. That is all we want.

dralley 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People "want" a lot of contradictory things. People "want" them to be less financially reliant on Google, while also "focusing" on a browser in a market that is entirely commoditized and subsidized by 3 of the 10 largest companies in the world - and having a wholly implementation independent browser engine when it's so massively difficult and capital intensive that even Microsoft gave up on it.

pier25 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Having the best browser should be Mozilla's first priority.

Investing on AI is not going to make them less financially reliant on Google.

eesmith 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I want them to actively seek foreign sovereign tech funding which come with stipulations that commit Mozilla to certain levels of privacy and anonymity.

I want them to go cap-in-hand to other countries and say "if you don't fund us then you are letting the US and surveillance capitalism get between your citizens and their government" and "do you really know what Chrome is doing with your data?"

I don't want to pretend they are simply part of a browser marketplace, but rather have them realize they are part of a civil rights effort, with powerful non-market forces they can ally with.

And I want those governments to commit to progressive enhancement guidelines like https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/technology/using-progressi... so new alternatives like Ladybird can start, and further require their agencies to test on a Firefox branch with no AI, no location tracking, full ad-blocking, etc. because while the market is free to ignore certain non-profitable users, a government should not be allowed to ignore some of its citizens.

I don't see a contradiction there.

roryirvine 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is from MZLA Technologies, so is a sister product to Thunderbird rather than Firefox.

SV_BubbleTime 10 hours ago | parent [-]

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data-ottawa 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with you, there are 1,000 different chat apps and just one Firefox. And the world needs Firefox more than it knows.

It looks like they might want to get into hosting/selling services to users on this.

From the FAQ:

> Is there going to be a hosted version if I don't want to deploy it myself? > Yes, we are planning to launch Thunderbolt for regular users but we do not have a release date yet.

dralley 10 hours ago | parent [-]

There is "only one Firefox" but Firefox exists in a market that is not just commoditized, but subsidized to the tune of billions by 3 of the 10 largest companies in the world.

The world may need Firefox but it's funny how people complain about Mozilla's dependence on Google while also complaining about every attempt to become more financially independent from Google.

techjamie 9 hours ago | parent [-]

They could start getting some of that goodwill back by not paying their CEO a multi-million dollar salary and opening donations to actually help fund Firefox.

yencabulator an hour ago | parent [-]

Frankly, https://opencollective.com/servo is a better place to donate by now.

stormed 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The anti-trust lawsuits with Google have Mozilla realizing they can't just be a company kept afloat by Google. Mozilla's priorities have been pretty complacent, basically just maintaining Firefox, sometimes Thunderbird, and a couple side services that have little financial incentives.

The current state of Mozilla is pretty odd since they rebranded to make it more apparent they're a non-profit, while also attempting to become more profitable pushing out new products and services.

extraduder_ire 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For a lot of things, I'm glad they don't. A strict focus on just a web browser years ago would mean we never get rust for instance.

maxloh 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mozilla needs money to support the development of Firefox (and the payroll of its high-salary executives).

For now, they mainly rely on Google for that money. Google pays them to avoid antitrust cases, to show the courts that they are not a monopoly and that "alternatives" exist. For example, the DOJ once proposed that Google be forced to sell off Chrome.

However, if another entity has control over your budget, they also have control over your product. If Firefox becomes "too good" to be a true competitor in the consumer space, the funding might be reduced or even cut off.

Creating a new source of revenue allows Mozilla to improve Firefox even beyond the point Google feels "comfortable" with.

yencabulator an hour ago | parent [-]

Mozilla could stop doing everything else and slow burn their existing $1B into developer salaries over the next decade. They are actively choosing not to.

trinsic2 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, email that supports open standards/protocols is really important right now where many email services are trying force IMAP to retire.

eipi10_hn 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why is this related to Firefox?

rothific 9 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not. Mozilla has been more than Firefox for a long time.

dotancohen 6 hours ago | parent [-]

To be clear, it's not from the Mozilla Corporation (which develops Firefox), it's from MZLA Technologies (which develops Thunderbird). Both bodies are under the Mozilla Foundation.

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gianthard 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

RIP Firefox OS

SV_BubbleTime 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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lurkshark 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

By that logic wouldn’t it be pretty much over for Mac OS as well?

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

Kye 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Firefox started at 0% when IE was more dominant than Chrome is today. Nothing is certain.

SV_BubbleTime 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Firefox hit a peak of 32% and has fallen ever since. Effectively Firefox crashed at the same time IE did, and I can’t see in what way Mozilla ever attempted to recover.

yencabulator an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Now correlate that with when the organization was hijacked by its management into no longer being interested in making a good browser.

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Wolfrich 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What the heck are you talking about? This is from the Thunderbird group not the firefox group...