| ▲ | latexr 3 days ago |
| > Everyone knows they score the lowest on repairability Tell that to iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-repairabilit... I’d trust their assessment more than a vague “everyone knows”. There’s nothing “everyone knows”. Should Apple be better at repairability? Absolutely! But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. When we don’t, points are easily dismissed and no one takes the valid parts seriously. |
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| ▲ | neya 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm confused. In the link you shared: iPhone Air - 7/10 (Provisional) iPhone 17 Pro - 7/10 (Provisional) Fairphone 6 - 10/10 HMD Fusion/Skyline - 9/10 > But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. Isn't that what the scores above tell (which I brought up in my original comment)? Plus, this is only for their smartphone line up. What about their headphones and other products?
Airpods Pro Max is a 6/10, for example: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/AirPods+Max+Teardown/139369 Polite reminder that companies don't care about us if we love them or support them or not. Especially online. |
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| ▲ | latexr 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > I'm confused. In the link you shared Also in the link I shared: * Google Pixel 10: 6 * Nothing Phone 3: 3 * Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 7: 3 * Samsung Galaxy S25 Edge: 5 (Provisional) And many more. So clearly Apple does not “score the lowest”. > Isn't that what the scores above tell So no, it’s not what the above scores tell, because you were actively selective. If you scroll down the list in good faith (with is sorted from Newest to Oldest) what you see is that Apple is not the worst and has been getting better starting with the 15. > Polite reminder that companies don't care about us if we love them or support them or not. Especially online. You don’t have to tell me that, I’m an active critic of Tim Cook and the current state of Apple. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... I’m also pretty vocal about not shilling for corporations and billionaires which would sell your nuts in a heartbeat. But I do care about criticism being valid, because when it’s not people ignore the valid points. Again, Apple should absolutely do better and so should other companies. But lets call them out on what they actually do (or don’t), false accusations don’t help. | |
| ▲ | AdamN 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How do those numbers look with similar products from Huawei, Samsung, etc...? Fairphone/HMD are competitors focused on repairability above other factors so it's not really a fair comparison. | |
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| ▲ | Tade0 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > But let’s criticise accurately and in good faith. Apple pioneered some huge anti-repairability measures like e.g. soldered-in RAM. Wasn't always that way though. I recall repairing a late 2011 MBP, so contemporary to the first soldered MBAs. Really easy to work on, with the battery held in place with just two triangular screws. That was four years ago and the user is still using it. |
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| ▲ | bzzzt 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I consider soldered-in RAM a reliability win. It's more shock resistant and a connector that doesn't exist can not fail. | | |
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| ▲ | bdcravens 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In doing an "everyone knows" assessment, you should analyze iFixit scores over time, which is what reputation is built on, rather than a point in time. Additionally, we're talking about Apple as a whole, not just one product. They've had several Macbooks that had scores of 1/10, and the Airpods received a 0/10. Even a recent iPhone had its score reduced from a 7/10 down to a 4: https://www.ifixit.com/News/82493/we-are-retroactively-dropp... (I'm a happy Apple user across all of their products, but I have no illusion that they're easily repairable) |
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| ▲ | lotsofpulp 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Are there tradeoffs to repair-ability? I have machine washed my Airpods multiple times and they still work, and I use them for 3+ years. Seems like a good enough product, based on the alternatives available in the market. | | |
| ▲ | bdcravens 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Absolutely. Durability, size, etc. However if we're going to talk about "eco progress" specifically we do have to talk about repairability. To be fair though, a long lasting product is probably more "green" than any easily repaired one in many circumstances. |
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| ▲ | ezst 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Not op but that's missing the forest for the tree. Those devices are not meant to be e-waste conscious at all, which is the undertone here: you can't replace the battery yourself, you can't expand storage when you need, you can't safely expand their life when they are outside of Apple support period because they are soft and hardware black boxes. Instead, you just buy anew. True, Apple is no more no less guilty of this than the competition, but they are also not shifting the needle while pretending to do so, with so many untaped opportunities. |
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| ▲ | latexr 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > you can't replace the battery yourself Not true at all. I have a close friend (not an electronics or programming nerd in any way) which has replaced the battery (and a screen) on multiple iPhones with nothing more than iFixit instructions. > you can't safely expand their life Again, not true. See above. > with so many untaped opportunities. Which is obvious I agree with, since I said they absolutely should be better at repairability. But consider the dismissive tone of the original comment, which is justified with false information. To give you an exaggerated example, let’s say someone is telling you about all the awful practices Nestlé engages in. All of them are true, but then they end with “and their CEO is literally Hitler, who survived and changed his face due to an agreement with the Beelzebub, and is going to control humanity through chocolate”. At that point most people would dismiss them as a nut job and ignore the other true valid points as fabrications too. Which is why we should criticise, yes, but based on truth, not lies and rage bait. | | |
| ▲ | sanitycheck 3 days ago | parent [-] | | They didn't say "nobody can replace the battery themselves", and "you" here was probably intended to mean "a normal consumer". Relative to items with replaceable batteries (a TV remote control, a camera, a pre-iPhone mobile phone), the batteries are extremely hard to replace. The batteries are also not safe to replace, relative to items with replaceable batteries. There is a very low chance of me accidentally damaging my TV remote control while replacing the batteries. None of the information you're responding to is false, and it's perhaps worth asking yourself why you're here defending Apple. There's an easier argument that is simply "But Samsung!". | | |
| ▲ | tzs 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | A "normal consumer", at least in most of the US, can take their iPhone to an Apple store, a Best Buy, and probably several small phone repair services that have small stores or kiosks in a nearby mall or inside a Walmart. From an environmental point of view it doesn't matter if you do the repair yourself or you have it done by someone else. | | |
| ▲ | choo-t 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > From an environmental point of view it doesn't matter if you do the repair yourself or you have it done by someone else. The added cost and friction will de facto make it less repairable. |
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| ▲ | latexr 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > and "you" here was probably intended to mean "a normal consumer". Which is why I used a normal consumer as an example. > None of the information you're responding to is false, and it's perhaps worth asking yourself why you're here defending Apple. I’m not defending Apple, I’m defending accuracy. When someone says something inaccurate about someone or something I oppose, I try to correct that too. It’s important that arguments are based on truth, because when they are not people start dismissing the true with the false. My comment history shows I’m an Apple user but am constantly criticising its current state and Tim Cook. You’ll find more comments of mine criticising than praising them. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Perhaps it’s worth asking yourself why you see someone making an argument once and immediately assume they may have ulterior motives, and why you’re actively ignoring the arguments which do not feed your view, including my clear and repeated assertions in the thread that Apple should absolutely do better. > There's an easier argument that is simply "But Samsung!". Which was not once my argument. I abhor whataboutism. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... I’d appreciate if you didn’t straw man. |
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