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ButlerianJihad 3 hours ago

At the risk of feeding this troll, I'll go for it here.

Men and women are essentially different in real biological ways, as well as emotional and socialization.

For millennia, women and children have been held innocent and protected. This is why Christian societies don't throw them on the frontlines as cannon fodder, but rather, the men go in front and the men fight, as expendables, while the woman and children can be protected far behind the front lines of any conflict.

Women can bear children, feed their infants, and care for families even while men are occupied or absent. Women are much more capable of restarting a civilization even when the men are decimated. It is a very logical and pragmatic decision to protect women and children from warfare and violence.

Conversely, armies of female warriors have enjoyed legendary status as especially fierce and undefeated. How many of us have enjoyed "Wonder Woman", "Calafia", Amazons, and the rest?

Furthermore, a soldier may be victimized by rape. SA of a male has different consequences than SA of a mature woman. You can imagine that a woman who becomes pregnant faces difficult decisions for the rest of her life. Again, the expendable nature of men makes us less susceptible to SA and ransom plots and other manipulation by the enemy.

So the trouble today, is that women are "empowered by equality" and demand every right and privilege that is due to men, and that extends to dirty horrible jobs, and fighting in combat. Women who are empowered by equality are also going to be subjected to responsibilities and duties that they didn't have before. Societies are simply coming up with no other choice but to put women in combat, because the women are doing every other job and it seems absurd to hold back.

Naturally, putting women in harm's way, and even conscripting them, eventually seems necessary if the adversary is doing it too. I am not sure that our Islamic or East Asian adversaries are doing this, but perhaps Westerners believe that we can thus gain the upper hand. I propose that it will disadvantage and disgrace us instead.

u_sama 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Men and women are essentially different in real biological ways, as well as emotional and socialization.

I fully agree, now, larger society doesn't and if all of my schooling is proof of it, feminism is the dominant discourse in Western Europe. So we can'be having women be fully equal in all spheres of society when it benefits women, but then remove them from every obligation those rights come with.

The full consequence of your ideas is that men and women are different people meaning it affects every sphere of life, and leads you to ask some unsavory questions, which doesn't mean curtailing women's rights necessarily but it does mean that the the way we model society and genders is opposite to reality, because when reality, like war, asks hard questions we default to the old order of men in the front and women in the factories.

Grimburger 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you have a misconception of how modern militaries work and think every one is out with a gun fighting.

Only around 10% of the US military is in combat roles.

u_sama 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The US military does not do combat, look at real engaged armies like the Ukranian/Russian one which are the closest examples to modern warfare between nation states.

benterix 2 hours ago | parent [-]

How do you mean? I see daily videos of Russian men being killed by drones.

u_sama 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree, I meant that armies engaged in conflicts are male like all armies have been in history, save the Soviets who had female battalions for propaganda purposes

asksomeoneelse 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We already disgrace ourselves by having some of the core ideologies of our society being blatant lies.

We have been repeatedly told that "equality" is primordial to our values. That men had to forego their privileges in the name of it.

The hypocrisy of the defenders of those ideas suddenly being so complacent when we look at the other side of the coin is revolting.

lemontheme 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Just curious – what privileges do you feel you've had to give up on the path to a slightly more equitable society?

Because as a man myself I honestly wouldn't be able to say which privileges I've lost that my forefathers enjoyed, besides sexism with impunity. In fact, I have it easier, for the time being at least. No military conscription for one. And with the recognition that the patriarchy hurts all I've been able to actualize myself in a way that is more authentic to myself than the constraints of past generations would have allowed.

asksomeoneelse an hour ago | parent [-]

> what privileges do you feel you've had to give up on the path to a slightly more equitable society?

None. The privileges that I was supposed to enjoy thanks to my gender were either vastly exaggerated or already revoked.

But I still get to "enjoy" the measures installed to counterbalance and compensate for them anyway.

> No military conscription for one

Lucky you. I don't. And the voters for "equality" massively voted to keep it that way for me a few months ago [0]

[0] https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/2025/article/double-non-aux-i...

benterix 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> That men had to forego their privileges in the name of it.

Care to name a few?