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| ▲ | cpncrunch 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Mailchimp and other legitimate services (other than salesforce, which is best just blocked) don't permit spam, whereas gmail and outlook don't give a fuck unless the spammer gets a large amount of abuse reports. Certainly mailchimp and the like make things simpler, but the price can be quite high. | | |
| ▲ | jstanley 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This seems to be a laughable claim? I don't get anything but spam from Mailchimp. | | |
| ▲ | rjmunro an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think your definition of spam matches the one that I understand it to mean. Spam is random email from someone you have not had contact with before firing messages to every address they can find anywhere on the web, the dark web, etc. Or if you ask not to be added to a mailing list and are added anyway. They often use fraudulent tricks to try to get the email through filters, such as fake from addresses. Spam is not email from legitimate companies with valid contact details that have an opt out that you forgot to click when you signed up with them. That's legitimate marketing emails. You might argue they also shouldn't exist, but they are a different category. I get plenty of the second from mailchimp (it's what they do), almost none of the first. Marking the second kind as spam, rather than clicking the unsubscribe link is dangerous because it teaches your anti-spam filter to reject messages from legitimate companies. You might find that if they need to contact you for a genuine reason e.g. a reciept for a future transaction, the message is blocked. | | |
| ▲ | fhars 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > an opt out that you forgot to click when you signed up with them This is the textbook legal definition of spam in any sensible jurisdiction, though. |
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| ▲ | cpncrunch 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, it's valid for me, and I just verified. In spam filter for past month: 0 mailchimp. In valid emails: 6 emails from a service that I signed up for via mailchimp. Checking my received emails for mailchimp I see a whole bunch of legitimate emails, including for flightschedulepro which uses it. I also see replies to my abuse reports to mailchimp saying the problems have been addressed. Do you report any of these spams to mailchimp? | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Indeed, Mailchimp is a tool specifically built and advertised to send spam. | | |
| ▲ | smallerize 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Mailchimp is for sending emails that people signed up to receive. If enough recipients click "unsubscribe", the whole email campaign gets suspended. | |
| ▲ | cpncrunch 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Where does it say on their website that it is specifically for sending spam? | | |
| ▲ | tuetuopay 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Someone’s marketing emails are someone else’s spam. Mailchimp is specifically made for mass email emission, for marketing a newsletter and whatnot. So yeah, a lot of people will consider them spammers. | | |
| ▲ | cpncrunch 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Spam is defined as unsolicited bulk email. Marketing is only spam when it isn't previous customers, or people who have specifically opted in. | |
| ▲ | rjmunro 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think thats a really wrong definition of spam. Spam is untargeted junk from people you don't know, who are probably hiding there real identity using fake email headers etc. If it's a legit company with legit unsubscribe options, it's not spam. It worries me a lot that people clicking "mark as spam" on messages from legit companies because they subscribed to the newsletter will mean that my messages with important information (order confirmations, e-tickets etc.) will get blocked. |
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