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| ▲ | jMyles 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Not everyone in jail got busted for benign stuff like selling a joint. There are lots and lots of incarcerated murderers, rapists, fraudsters, drunk drivers, etc. In US federal prisons, drug offenders make up over 40% of the total population, by very far the largest group. The next largest tracked category, "Weapons, Explosives, and Arson" is 23%. [0] Granted, these are almost entirely US federal offenses, which have of course been flux throughout US history with respect to proper authority, and drug offenses have tended to grease the wheels of jurisprudence so as to be regarded constitutional (albeit with a very inconsistent set of underlying principles). Murder for example is not generally a violation of federal law absent (a fairly long list of) special circumstances. I do not believe there is any state where the number of people incarcerated for fraud convictions is in the same order of magnitude as drug convictions. In Ohio, where this story takes place, drug offenders are about 14% of the population while "fraudsters" are about 1%. I think it's pretty reasonable to assert that a significant portion of prisons in the USA are convicted of offenses that are not easy to understand as a moral affront to society or an infringement on the rights of anyone else. https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offen... |
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| ▲ | mothballed 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The weapons offenses are by a longshot "felon in possession of a firearm." That one is crazy to me. You're going to send people out into the free world, where guns are legal, and owning a gun is legal, and they are supposedly off the books, and then just tempt them with owning something to defend themselves that everyone around them already has but then lock them away for a decade for doing so? Obviously most of the drug ones are just as absurd -- you're locking up drug dealer A who is immediately replaced with drug dealer B with absolutely no change to drug operations or consumption but at great expense to yourself. Thankfully we've pretty much stopped putting drug users in federal prison. You could probably wipe out over half the federal prisons without any real change to greater society. | | |
| ▲ | t-3 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Go to your local county jail lockup, by far the most common charge is driving on a suspended license - because many crimes will get your license suspended as a matter of course, and others will give you payment plans and paperwork filing dates and if you aren't on top of everything well enough you will get suspended for missing a payment or failing to submit your stuff properly, then enjoy violating probation with an additional misdemeanor, impound fees, court fees, and possible jail time. |
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| ▲ | stackghost 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The assertion was that prison populations commit less crime and are higher-IQ than CEOs. Drug crimes are still crimes, irrespective of public opinion. |
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| ▲ | coldtea 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >You'd be incorrect. It's been well established that lower IQ is moderately associated with higher rates of criminality. Consider who is doing the "establishing" and what criminality they ignore because those doing it do not even go to prison or jail 99% of time. |
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| ▲ | stackghost 3 days ago | parent [-] | | >Consider who is doing the "establishing" and what criminality they ignore because those doing it do not even go to prison or jail 99% of time. Ah yes, I'm sure it's just a conspiracy to keep brilliant people in prison, and let stupid CEOs off the hook. Look, a quick jaunt through my comment history will show you I'm no corporate bootlicker but this is ridiculous. | | |
| ▲ | constantius 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Parent meant that almost no white collar crime gets prosecuted or results in jail time for defendants. Which is a very fair statement to.make, no conspiracy involved. The claim is that the makeup of the prison population would be different if the law was as expeditive and indiscriminate with the well-to-do as it is with the poor: the entirety of Enron in prison, of VW, of Uber, etc. Your correlation is by and large about criminality among the poor. It would still probably hold in the above scenario, but you can't claim it looks at "criminality" full stop. | |
| ▲ | coldtea 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No conspiracy required, it's perfectly open. | |
| ▲ | kdhaskjdhadjk 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | "A petty thief is put in jail. A great brigand becomes the ruler of a nation." - Chuang Tzu |
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| ▲ | FpUser 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >"C-suite types commit more crimes than prisoners, but I'd wager they don't." On behalf / or covered by corporations they openly do things for which any normal person would be criminally charged and put behind bars. Wake me up when people who for example were involved in Bradley development scandal are punished. Or ones involved in DuPont PFOA contamination case etc. etc. So they do have criminal mind. They just know they would personally get away with it and in a worst case the corporations get fined. |
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| ▲ | AnimalMuppet 3 days ago | parent [-] | | "For the little stealing, they give you prison, soon or late. For the big stealing, they names you emperor, and puts you in the hall of fame when you croaks. If there's one thing I've learned from from twenty years on the Pullman cars listening to the white quality talk, it's dat same fact." From "The Emperor Jones", quoted from memory. | | |
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| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wonder about the IQ distribution in mental health facilities. The mental health system is basically a penal system in white coats. My parents often pointed out a very tall bearded homeless man who would stand in the intersection and shout at cars. They called him “Bigfoot”. Mom explained that he had multiple college degrees, such as physics, and indicated that he was a waste of a life. |
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| ▲ | Avicebron 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Maybe he realized screaming at cars was more productive than being an actuary so someone who inherited their way through Yale and Blackrock could make the world a worse place. |
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| ▲ | hackable_sand 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Still pushing that pseudoscience crap from a century ago? You guys just can't let go |
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| ▲ | jackmottatx 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
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