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lateforwork 10 hours ago

This looks bad for Microsoft. They added a Copilot button to all their products but it doesn't do much more than open a chat side panel.

I recently tried Claude Cowork for PowerPoint and I was stunned by the content as well as design quality of the deck it produced. That's a threat for Microsoft because now you don't need the editing tools of PowerPoint, AI replaces it, so all you need is the presentation mode of PowerPoint.

Copilot for Excel is useless. Ask it what is in cell A1 and it can't answer. I am looking forward to trying ChatGPT for Excel.

nsiemsen 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Claude for excel is already amazing. Fully capable of doing junior work. Formatting is great. Can refactor large multi-tab spreadsheets. It just burns tokens. If OpenAI is going to subsidize this on the monthly enterprise plans for a while then it's a game changer.

Claude for Excel (I work in finance) was one of the absolutely critical reasons we added Anthropic enterprise licenses. But they've turned out to be quite expensive ($100/day for heavy users). We'll see what OpenAI's quotas are.

p_ing 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Cheaper to get M365 Copilot licenses for the Claude models in Excel.

WillAdams 7 hours ago | parent [-]

What are the costs on that?

Does this remove (or at least increase) the upload limit?

p_ing 6 hours ago | parent [-]

$200-something per user per year. Will vary based on license type and seat count.

No limits.

mastermage 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Well other than the limits of Copilots usefullness.

croes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> No limits.

Yet.

intended 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How’s that been in practice ? From what I’ve been following - Claude in finance results in models with errors that an analyst won’t make.

You get models that are formatted and structured and which balance - but there are errors introduced which an analyst / human wouldn’t make.

Stuff like hard coded values, or incorrect cell logic which guarantees the model balances.

evanjrowley 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is a significant difference in experience between Copilot Basic for a M365 user whose IT admins have blocked integration capabilities with Sharepoint content vs Copilot Premium for a M365 user whose IT admins have allowed integration capabilities with Sharepoint content.

interroboink 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A recent funny story on this topic: https://idiallo.com/blog/what-is-copilot-exactly

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47603231

mohamedkoubaa 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Microsoft is better off not allowing copilot basic because of the reputational harm it will do. Not that they are thinking through copilot rationally

basch 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

it was a good name when chosen. too bad they have burned bob, clippy, cortana, sydney, and copilot already.

alternatex an hour ago | parent [-]

The backend of Copilot is still called Sydney AFAIK

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LuxBennu 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Chatgpt for Excel is still an office add-in running in the same sandbox though. strongpigeon described the exact bottleneck upthread, process boundary crossings, context.sync() roundtrips that take seconds on web. That's a platform limitation, not a model limitation. Swapping AI behind the add-in doesn't fix the fundamental constraint that third-party add-ins can't deeply integrate with Excel's runtime the way a native feature can. If copilot is bad despite having more access to excel internals(I don't like how Copilot is designed or implemented tho), an add-in with less access is likely not be better.

angadsg 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Would love for you to try both copilot and ChatGPT for Excel. Agreed on the limitations - but in our experience, ChatGPT for Excel does really well on complex sheets.

com2kid 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is an irony here that this would be more performant with a 2002 coding model. A native plugin, COM, OLE, whatever. C++, crash prone, but fast.

strongpigeon 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe but not drastically so. My guess is that most of the slowness comes from the tool calls round tripping+processing on Anthropic/OpenAI’s servers rather than the app latency.

That’s without talking about the poor UI and security story of COM add-ins and the inability to run on Excel for iOS.

phyalow 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Try writing your own comments rather than posting AI slop

vipipiccf an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've had the same experience. Copilot for Excel can't even parse basic cell references. Meanwhile Claude handles document formatting in one pass. The catch is it works externally, not inside the app, but at least it works.

The MCP ecosystem is what makes this interesting. Claude isn't just a chat panel bolted onto existing software, it's building integrations that actually manipulate the files. Microsoft had the distribution advantage but they're losing on capability.

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screye 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If AI winning means that data center companies win out, then the wins for Azure will more than make up for the death of Office.

I am surprised that Microsoft's own copilot product is so far behind though.

vessenes 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Microsoft has rights to all this IP. So, it might look bad for their product folks, but for the corporation this is great, to the extent it works.

ebbi 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We have many people in my wider team (Finance) that are AI skeptics purely because of their experience with Copilot. Like they don't know what AI is actually capable of when outside of the shackles of Copilot.

Microsoft fumbled so badly here.

watsonL1F7 an hour ago | parent [-]

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bwat49 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

its baffling how badly microsoft has handled copilot, this is exactly what copilot in office should have been

Handy-Man 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You have to use the "agent" toggle for Copilot to behave the same way lol. Otherwise its pretty simple chat interface with the context, that's all.

miohtama 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's called Microslop for a reason.

d3Xt3r 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I recently tried Claude Cowork for PowerPoint and I was stunned by the content as well as design quality of the deck it produced. That's a threat for Microsoft because now you don't need the editing tools of PowerPoint, AI replaces it, so all you need is the presentation mode of PowerPoint.

Actually, someone here posted a Claude Code skill recently that generates a presentation as a self-contained HTML5 file, so all you need is a browser.

PowerPoint, as a whole, is doomed.

hgoel 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Powerpoint will continue to persist because other people need to be able to edit your slide deck without understanding your HTML.

My employer blocks office plugins, so I can't try Claude for PowerPoint, but sometimes I get Claude to generate Python scripts, which produce PowerPoint slides via python-pptx. This also benefits from being able to easily read and generate figures from raw data.

I don't really like the way Claude tends to format slides (too much marketing speak and flowcharts), but it has good ideas often enough that it's still worth it to me. So I treat this as a starting point and replace the bad parts.

basch 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Or you could just talk to powerpoint, which creates a self contained pptx, which also plays anywhere.

we've hit this point where its cool to have claude reinvent every wheel just because it can.

d3Xt3r 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not self-contained, it requires PowerPoint to be indfled. Which is not an issue on corporate machines of course, but maybe you want to do a presentation for a general/broader audience.

alternatex an hour ago | parent [-]

Office, or rather Microsoft 365 applications have had web versions for a decade now.

d3Xt3r an hour ago | parent [-]

That's besides the point though. With a self-contained HTML, you don't need to go to a special website, you don't need an account or sign-in, heck you don't even need the Internet, and it works pretty much on every device that supports HTML5.

jason_zig 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure that's true - try getting someone to pull up an html5 file on their computer for a presentation...

raincole 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You mean like, double-click?

apsurd 8 hours ago | parent [-]

you must never have actually done this. it doesn't work the way you think it does. unless it's self contained (like a pp), you can't expect network access to actually deliver when you need it most.

d3Xt3r 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The file the Claude skill spits out is actually fully self-contained, no network access is needed.

apsurd 6 hours ago | parent [-]

that's pretty cool!

DrSAR 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

hrm, double-click and your browser does the rest.

For added benefit, full screen?

Until you need presenter notes or other niceties, this covers a large space of usage.

apsurd 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

you could do that for the past 20 years. i've always hated slides as a medium for anything, but i've been proven wrong tine and again that people love their pp.

bad_haircut72 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Because it was drag and drop interface. This existed for HTML but because web pages got too complicated, so did the WYSIWYGs. By just being a program to show slides, the editing experience was manageable for anyone. But if you can hust type what you want to happen into claude, editng experience doesnt matter as much/at all