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htx80nerd 3 hours ago

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scarecrowbob an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You might not remember any. That doesn't mean they did not happen.

I rememebr friends doing migrant support in San Antonio in 2012 and similar actions.

I bet it feels nice to pretend that it's other folks who are hypocrites.

But don't forget that you're just pretending.

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mplanchard 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

a) The kids in cages garnered significant press, public sympathy, and protest

b) I also lived in Austin during that time, and the scale and militarization of current ICE action is on another level to what it was in the early 10's

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9x39 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

c) despite appearances and the current state of fear, Trump's second-term ICE has deported merely a fraction (0.6m) achieved under Obama's ICE (3m+), so if it's on a different level, it's clearly a lower one. Movement vs action, perhaps.

https://www.wlrn.org/immigration/2026-01-23/politifact-fl-im...

https://tracreports.org/tracatwork/detail/A6019.html

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20200109/110349/HHRG...

	▲	grosswait an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Is this the same stat where turning a person away at the border counted as a deportation during the Obama years? I’ve found the changing methodology to make comparisons troublesome
	▲	kelnos an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It's a little weird to compare Obama's 8-year numbers to Trump's 1.25-year numbers.

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chasd00 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

idk, i live in oakcliff in Dallas. Per google 20% of people in the area are undocumented. Elementary schools are around 50% undocumented and the area high schools around 30% if not higher. My son is in the second most selective magnet HS in DISD and half of his friend group is undocumented.

I haven't seen a single ICE raid in the 10 years i've lived in the area. I did see DHS do a raid on a house once but i've yet to even see ICE. I'm not saying they're not around but they certainly don't make their presence known in an area overflowing with undocumented immigrants. I keep waiting for the jack boots and armored vehicles to roll through and wholesale round everyone up like i read about but it seems business as usual all day every day in Oakcliff.

edit: Honestly, i think no one really cares about oakcliff anymore. Dallas PD does nothing about the constant gunfire at night or street racing. So it makes sense ICE is never alerted, i think the people who would alert ICE just don't bother. I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

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tdb7893 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I always feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people say no one complained under Obama since I distinctly remember people complaining at the time (maybe it just didn't make it to less left-wing circles?). It's also pretty trivial to find contemporaneous ACLU articles on it with specific complaints.

https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/ones-obama-left-behin...

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kmeisthax an hour ago | parent [-]

The liberal media did an absolutely bang-up job covering up Obama's tyranny, and the conservative media wasn't about to start punishing Obama for threatening them with a good time. So nobody in the media talked about it, even though left-wing activists were shouting from the rooftops about the Deporter-in-Chief.

Obama might have even campaigned on some of these issues, but DNC insiders are experts at making big promises up front and walking them back[0]. Hell, I'm pretty sure Obama deported more people more often than Trump did, at least in his first term. And when people were suing ICE over COVID-era border closures, Biden staffers were privately wishing the activists on their side would lose.

Keep in mind, open borders is a libertarian policy, not a left-wing one. American lefties tend to also skew libertarian, but the "liberals" running the DNC are basically just Republicans with a liberal accent. The uniparty is real.

[0] I'm already seeing this with Mamdani and Queenslink. He is, at the very least, letting the shitty Queensway "let's cover this old railway up with politically untouchable greenspace to make the car-owning NIMBYs happy by stopping Queenslink" plan continue forward.

	▲	tdb7893 9 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		So firstly: no significant group in the US is advocating for "open borders", that term is just a strawman as used in modern politics. Secondly: "open borders is a libertarian policy, not a left-wing one" doesn't really make sense. Saying a particular policy is inherently part of only a single ideology just isn't how ideologies work. Also, if you're looking for anti-statists who view people from all countries as equal and are for people being able to choose which government to be under then the ideology that best fits that is "anarchism". If you're using a definition where "anarchism" and "libertarianism" are essentially the same then you're using a definition where "libertarian" isn't particularly right wing (which makes contrasting it to "left wing" not make sense).

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linkregister 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If someone does something to nth degree, it's bad. If someone does something to (n*10)th degree, are the sheeple really at fault for reacting? Do you not behave the same way in your own life?