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legitster a day ago

Its a fun thought exercise, but I've found the opposite to be true in most cases. More expensive clothes are usually less durable (depending on the brand). The same goes for appliances, and cars, and phones, and etc. The cheap designs are simple and robust and the expensive designs add complexity and features.

In reality I think there are more forces extracting money from the wealthy and their effete needs. My example is an airplane. The first class passengers are effectively paying 3x as much for the same outcome. The same is true for ovens and shoes and phones and cars.

triceratops a day ago | parent | next [-]

> The first class passengers are effectively paying 3x as much for the same outcome

Not the same outcome. They show up at their destinations fresh from a good night's sleep, having showered at the lounge. Their back doesn't hurt from trying to sleep upright in a tiny seat or schlepping a heavy rucksack.

If you have enough money you are ok with paying to get those outcomes.

m3047 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Amtrak sucks in so many ways, but that said for almost a decade prior to COVID when I had the opportunity (roughly yearly) I'd travel Amtrak first class between Tacoma WA and Oakland CA (Starlight). Kind of a day's vacation going each way (and they'd sell you a tax free bottle of good wine you could wander around first class with).

It was weird, I would arrive in Oak / SF rested, grounded, not nearly as stressed... and without a flying horror story to share (although the "alien abduction" made a good story). [0]

At the end of the journey Amtrak sucked, but flying sucks more; so much of the suck is fixable in both cases but it never seems to happen.

[0] I'd rate your chances as about 1:3 something unexpected will occur. An 11PM electrical fire / "alien abduction". They put the train together wrong / in a hurry and first class was right behind the engines (they sealed the door with duct tape to keep the rain / snow / wind out), and at night going through the Cascades in OR there were a half dozen of us crowding around with our wine bottles looking out over the engines; very cool. A freight broke apart in the Cascades stretch and we sat in the bar car (drinking wine) and watched the maintenance crews humping connector knuckles from behind us up to the freight in front of us (some of those freights are over a mile long; did I mention we were basically on the side of a cliff?).

skybrian 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For very long international flights I could see it, but I also see people in the first class seats on shorter flights where it’s hardly worth it. (I assume at least some of them are upgrades.)

Also, checking a bag is not expensive.

triceratops 20 hours ago | parent [-]

I assume that many/most people flying business or first class on shorter flights are either flying for business or churning.

tonyedgecombe 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It doesn’t matter how luxurious first class is I am never going to get a good nights sleep on a plane.

HFguy 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Most of first class is not paying their own money for those flights.

triceratops 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Agreed. But their employers still see value in paying for them. Unless you're referring to credit card churners.

nzach 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> More expensive clothes are usually less durable

I have nothing to back that up, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is a feature. If these luxury items are being used by the society (or at least in some circles) as a proxy for 'success'(ie having enough disposable money) it probably would be better if they we also quite fragile. This way you could distinguish between someone who received a expense gift vs someone that has money to always keep buying new items.

I'm not sure how real it this, but I've read somewhere that part of the appeal of expensive glassware was the fact that it was pretty fragile. Serving someone at your house with expensive glassware was a way to tell 'look how much money I've got'.

Just to be clear, I don't think we should get impressed/try to impress people by how much money someone has. But that is a practice as old as time, and it doesn't seem to be going away any time soon.

ArcHound a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you're right on the luxury brands being less durable.

To address the second airplane example, we really have to go through all that you're buying. Namely: more leg space, faster airport queue processing, more luggage, better in-flight service. Do I value these at 3x the cost? Maybe yes.

legitster a day ago | parent | next [-]

Both me and the richest person on the flight are going to the same destination. They're not getting there any faster or safer. Everything else is a fleeting luxury.

Not saying it's a bad to spend money on temporary comfort, but it's the opposite of the Vimes boot problem.

nothrabannosir 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you are over thirty and still this strong, then you have my respect and envy. I’m not even forty and even I would say a >7h economy flight (middle seat particularly) can take about two days to recover from.

How much money would you pay for two extra days of life? In the end, time itself is also “fleeting”, if you want to put it that way. But I sure as heck would fork over the money if I had it.

triceratops 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Not saying it's a bad to spend money on temporary comfort, but it's the opposite of the Vimes boot problem.

It's true that comfort isn't a permanent good you own a la Vimes. But better comfort is a decidedly different outcome and you argued that it wasn't.

devilbunny 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

With luxury brands, it depends on what you buy. My mother-in-law still owns and uses 1970s-vintage Louis Vuitton handbags. They are built to last.

A hand-stitched leather suitcase is expensive. It will also last until your grandchildren are dead.

skybrian 21 hours ago | parent [-]

If it was made before suitcases commonly had wheels, you’re still going to want to replace it. The grandkids (if there are any) won’t want it.

devilbunny 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s not suitable for air travel, but I treat anything for air travel as disposable. I still use it all the time for car-based travel. It’s larger and nicer than what I fly with.

Nasrudith 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The funny thing is that from what I heard with the antiques markets (which is admittedly possibly a decade or so old) it is antique luggage of all things which is 'in' and antique furniture which is out relatively speaking to the past.

The grandkids not wanting it may still apply if they are still minors, there would be plenty of time for tastes to shift again.

fmx a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The first class passengers are effectively paying 3x as much

3x? If only! If we're talking international first class (not US domestic "first"), it's typically 10-12x the price of economy.

triceratops 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah 3x would be a bargain.

opinion3k a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It depends on what brands.

If you're chasing after the ones that are most well known on Instagram, then you're paying for the logo and getting quality that is not that much better than much cheaper stuff.

If you look for lesser known brands that are more expensive but that expense is because of the materials and craftmanship, then it's often worth the money.

AnthonBerg 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends what kind of expensive.

Bought an expensive jacket. It's indestructible and cool and has good pockets. It's a motorcycle jacket. I didn't know I was buying an indestructible normal jacket.

nonameiguess 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This highly, highly depends. I've never bought a Meile appliance but seen others here swear on them for durability. Le Creuset and All Clad make cookware I've had for decades with no problems or degradation at all and they'll last for centuries as far as I can tell. I've got a 70L pack I bought from the Arcteryx factory store 20 years ago and I've damn near taken it to the moon and back. Virtually every mountain in North America. Had it rained on, dunked into streams, fallen while full of 40 kilos of gear onto sharp rock. Not so much as a single seam has ever frayed and it's just just as waterproof as it was the day I bought it.

And you're overestimating the cost of first class, at least in my experience, and that's kind of a lot of experience. I work in pre-sales engineering and travel a ton. My company won't pay for first class, but I'm 6'2" with ten screws in my spine and always pay for the upgrade, and it's usually between $200-$500, which has never tripled the price and almost never even so much as doubles it. You can sneer that I'm overpaying for nothing, but you try getting into a situation where sitting in a sardine can for four hours leaves you unable to stand up straight for 40 hours when you land. To me, it's worth it. The other option is I die with more zeros in my bank account, which is even more pointless. It's not like I'm failing to hit savings goals because of this.

Same thing applies with cars, by the way. I work from home when not traveling and don't drive very much, but I do own a luxury vehicle, and the difference between that any nearly any rental is pretty stark. It doesn't win on any reliability rating I'm aware of, but I've put less than 20,000 miles on it in 6 years of ownership and don't particularly care about the durability. I care about comfort and my own car is way the fuck more comfortable than the Nissans and Toyotas the rental agencies give me.

"Effete needs" is awfully sneering. I've lived on the back of an Abrams tank for weeks at a time in the past. I lived in the backseat of a 1994 Honda Civic and worked an overnight shift detailing theme park restrooms while putting myself through community college 25 years ago. I can live with little to no comfort if I actually need to, but given the choice and sufficient disposable income that it makes no difference, why the hell would I choose to be less comfortable just so I can brag to all the Bogleheads that my savings account has an extra hundred grand in it when I need five mil to retire anyway? Frugality doesn't push the needle much in the realm of travel and consumer goods. Cheap housing and a well-paying job is what pushes the needle.

MengerSponge 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't be obtuse. Of course you can spend more money without buying better craftsmanship. Some trainers from Prada or Balenciaga will wear out faster than a pair of Aldens.

Consider school backpacks. If you can, you should probably buy a Tom Bihn backpack. It's $400 and will last for decades. Spending more money will buy something fancier, but it won't be better at being a backpack. If you don't have that much cash to drop? Jansport, Eastpak, North Face? They're all the same mediocre product made by the same PE group. And they're still not cheap.

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