This is why you should have local models. The local models are good enough for private chats, they might not be as good as the cloud models for precise technical work, but for general sensitive chat you definitely should stick to local.

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drak0n1c 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, local for anything that can run locally. For higher-end model needs there are privacy platforms like Venice (https://venice.ai/privacy) with ZDR legal contracts and multiple E2EE options for their open-weight models. The OpenAI/Anthropic/Google models are also available through through them but at least your identity is anonymized, though the contents of your prompt could still be stored by the destination company.

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cwillu 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would not trust any anonymization service that still connects to gemini/openai/claude, they simply have too much reach to have any confidence that they can't [re-]connect a session to you via means other than the login and ip address.

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bossyTeacher 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I might be missing something here but how does this change anything?

'No attorney-client relationship exists "or could exist, between an AI user and a platform such as Claude," Rakoff wrote'.

A local model or Venice are still platforms, just local.

Nerd smarts seldom survive real world smarts. Reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/538/

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drak0n1c 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That's why they added a verifiable E2EE mode that encrypts before leaving your device all the way to the GPU's TEE. You can proxy and see the shape of the request if you like. The platform supports no-KYC signups too, so if you care you can disguise your user too.

When using their platform via web/app there's a temporary chat option that avoids local browser storage entirely. You can also wipe the local browser storage whenever you want.

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tokai 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>A local model or Venice are still platforms, just local.

Sure but you can delete the logs yourself.

	▲	wat10000 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Just make sure you do it as a matter of routine policy, rather than in response to a legal issue, lest you get hit with a destruction of evidence charge.

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closeparen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you are the subject of a criminal investigation, they will seize the devices from your house and do forensics on them. Taking steps to make that harder could expose you to more charges for tampering with evidence.

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robertkarljr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly this: that's what happened to Heppner. They took the Claude transcripts from his computer with a warrant. Same failure mode. Not clear local AI helps meaningfully

	▲	ronsor 42 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		It means you have the option to not save transcripts in the first place, or have a deletion schedule. There's no tampering because there was no evidence to tamper with. Authorities show up after the fact.