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| ▲ | kdheiwns 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Please which countries, though? China? The EU? The US? All of them have conflicting interests and you can't please all three. |
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| ▲ | dangus 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you're bad at governing you can't please all three. | | |
| ▲ | gertop 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Please do tell us of that mythical leader who is so good at governing that no other country has ever had a grievance with them? |
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| ▲ | nannal 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Bold claims with no backing. Always bet on russian antagonism. |
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| ▲ | ben_w 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Many of them. Way things are going, I suspect that many of people who are wanted by the American government will find friendly arms in China and Europe. (Perhaps even there I'm optimistic about Russia wanting to normalise relations? Or existing?) |
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| ▲ | KingOfCoders 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think with the EU, the EU bases its identity on rules for the better or worse. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, but also the EU is comparably as weak over its member states as the US Federal government was over American states in the Articles of Confederation era. This is how Hungary was able to paralyse the collective response against Russia. | | |
| ▲ | soco 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nevertheless, extraditions based on international mandates are usually respected (terms and conditions may apply, see Greece or Italy). Wanted people often go to Serbia nowadays, to give a successful example. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Indeed. But I did write "will find friendly arms in China and Europe", and Greece, Italy, and indeed Serbia, are in Europe. The whole continent != nation thing is clearer with the EU != Europe (due to the EU not even being a nation yet) than with the American nation != The Americas. Even then, don't underestimate rules-lawyering of laws: I wish to suggest that the USA is going down the path of "rogue state", and that extradition treaties may have clauses (either explicitly in treaty text* or implicitly via the European Convention on Human Rights) protecting individuals from the risk of a death penalty, which may end up getting invoked due to the US having the death penalty. * https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/agreement... and https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/109th-congress/14/d... Article 13 (``Capital punishment'') provides that when an offense for which extradition is sought is punishable by death under the laws in the requesting State but not under the laws in the requested State, the requested State may grant extradition on condition that the death penalty shall not be imposed or, if for procedural reasons such condition cannot be complied with by the requesting State, on condition that if imposed the death penalty shall not be carried out.
If there's a loss of trust that the US will honour its obligations, and in other cases besides extradition this has already happened, what then? |
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| ▲ | NVHacker 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Assuming "Russia" cares to and can find out who is running Anna. |
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| ▲ | NoahZuniga 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Russia after Putins fall will do everything to please other countries, to get back to good terms This is pretty obviously not true? Russia's not going to try to please the us or most European countries, and many fugitives in Russia only angered those countries. |
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| ▲ | mothballed 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Russians will get extradited right after French citizens in France or Lebanese in Lebanon. It's honestly astonishing the US is cucked enough to betray their own citizens up for trial by foreign court. Plenty of places won't do that. |
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| ▲ | adrian_b 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Perhaps US may extradite some ordinary US citizens, but for example when some member of the US military kills in another country someone by driving drunk, USA will immediately smuggle him from that country, so that he will not stand trial in a foreign court for his crime. |
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| ▲ | throwawaysleep 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And we would be stupid to give them as access to cheese afterward. They had that chance and blew it. There is unlikely to be any thaw within our lifetimes. |
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| ▲ | bulbar 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's not how politics necessarily works. Russia oil and already existing infrastructure into Europe means that Europe has huge incentives to continue trading eventually. That's also better than Russia focusing delivering their resources to China for good. | |
| ▲ | pjc50 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's unlikely to be any thaw within Putin's lifetime. Putin is 73. What happens after that? Opportunity to be a clean slate. Before the war, upper-class Russians had it good. Freedom of movement to the West. Russian money was popular in Europe, now it's got a Chernobyl toxic glow to it. It wouldn't be so bad to go back to 2010 Russia before Putin threw all of that away on territorial expansion and irridentism. |
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| ▲ | noosphr 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Putin is a Russian moderate. Anyone who pays attention to Russian politics prays for his good health and long life. |
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| ▲ | pjc50 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Difficult to imagine a less moderate policy than starting a war which gets hundreds of thousands of Russians killed. Starting a nuclear war? | | |
| ▲ | konart 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Losing hundreds of thousands in war vs hundreds of thousands (or more) in labour camps. Putting a bullet in your skull for accessing a blocked internet resource vs just blocking the resource or paying a fine. Honestly I can name many things that can be different. | |
| ▲ | noosphr 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well for starters he might try and conquer Greenland. | |
| ▲ | elzbardico 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Except for the fact that the US started this war with the 2014 coup and the progressive arming of Ukraine. | |
| ▲ | mothballed 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The nuclear war is the immoderate Russians. | |
| ▲ | RobotToaster 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The main opposition party in Russia is the Communist party. Their leader was one of the first to call for a general mobilisation. |
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| ▲ | sinfulprogeny 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Where can I learn more? | | |
| ▲ | konart 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nothing to learn about, really. We've got army block, FSB block, technocrats, bureaucrats and oligarchs. The usual (more or less) story. The real problem is - we don't have system that scales horizontally. So when Putin goes people will have to deal with the vertical system he created for himself. The problem here is this "for himself" part. For this system to work you will have to be a new Putin (at least for some time) and for this you will have to enforce your decisions and shape your new system. Top to bottom. Best thing that can happen to Russian (realistically) is that the power will be given to technocrats. They are not neccesarily more liberal, but they have real education, they do understand a thing or to about economics, open borders, sharing of knowledge etc. They won't be able to quickly change Russia, but given some time they can reshape it step by step. Alas - we have FSB and Army blocks, high level of corruption and millions of people who see people like Putin as the best choice. They don't need progress and responsibility. They need their empire back even if they are just peasants with serfdom included. |
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