we can do better than "that man is crazy". Why not pull up a line in his OPENLY AVAILABLE CODE BASE and mock that instead?

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throwup238 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Beads, his glorified CLI based work tracker, was over several hundred thousand lines of code, last I checked in January.

Where do I even begin to mock that except at the source? That’s just absolute insanity.

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Quarrelsome 3 days ago | parent [-]

If its all obviously shit then it shouldn't be that hard. Maybe point Claude at it and ask it to find the most stupid stuff that you can then manually verify as being wtf.

My point is that just calling him names has no substance, but mocking his source specifically does.

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throwup238 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> If its all obviously shit then it shouldn't be that hard. Maybe point Claude at it and ask it to find stupid stuff.

What does that even mean? Am I supposed to point Claude at garbage code bases? All it will find is garbage.

> My point is that just calling him names has no substance, but mocking his source specifically does.

He is the source. He wrote this stuff under his own volition.

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Quarrelsome 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

We're supposed to be engineers. Criticising a concept based on conjecture and insult is unbecoming of our culture.

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throwup238 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> We're supposed to be engineers. Criticising a concept based on conjecture and insult is unbecoming of our culture.

The entire thing is nothing but conjecture. No real software has been produced by the concept to date, except more garbage software that takes hundreds of thousands of lines where a few thousand would do.

And to be clear, Beads and Gastown are unbecoming of our “culture” and any self respecting engineer would recoil in horror at the concept.

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pitched 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

There are some good ideas in the tools. I hope our culture has room left for curiosity and exploration in that way. I also highly doubt these will catch on over one-shotting and Jira though. Here’s one quick thought from each:

Beads keeps the issue tracker state in git. This can only work if you don’t have a PR/Review-Gate to submitting patches (to file bugs/issues/etc) but I’ve found it unexpectedly helpful for personal projects. Helpful enough to entertain the idea in other contexts.

Gastown uses an AI Agent _as the orchestrator_, and to kick stalled agents, and, that’s such an obvious thing in hindsight I can’t believe I hadn’t thought of it. I have adopted this in a few other contexts now.

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throwup238 a day ago | parent [-]

> Beads keeps the issue tracker state in git.

Wow that's so innovative. I'm amazed Linus didn't think of that twenty years ago when he invented git.

Oh wait... It's been tried and discarded half a dozen times since then. Git is literally just a bunch of text files with a tree pointer. You can fit any data into it you want, but as it turns out, most people who report bugs don't want to use git to do so.

> Gastown uses an AI Agent _as the orchestrator_, and to kick stalled agents, and, that’s such an obvious thing in hindsight I can’t believe I hadn’t thought of it. I have adopted this in a few other contexts now.

I too can't believe you didn't think of it. Literally can't believe it.

	▲	pitched a day ago \| parent [-]
		We’re all at different points along this path. Today, I was one of the lucky 10000. I hope you get to be in that group again in the future too.

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Quarrelsome 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

How is it conjecture when you just admitted you're aware of a repo with hundreds of thousands of lines of code.

Your argument belies a lazyness or skill issue. You abandon the possibility of proof to sling mud.

People have made a shit ton of economic value with shit code over the course of history of software and now that's accelerating with this sort of shite. I appreciate its ugly but i will not follow you by fashioning a duvet out of arrogance and throwing rocks people investigating the ugly.

What they're doing it at least an interesting spectacle and ill wait for the show to end before writing my review.

	▲	throwup238 a day ago \| parent [-]
		> You abandon the possibility of proof to sling mud. > i will not follow you by fashioning a duvet out of arrogance and throwing rocks people investigating the ugly. Seriously?

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enraged_camel 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What it means is that it is easy to shit on other people's work. Much harder to give constructive criticism - especially on what looks like a throwaway account.

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throwup238 3 days ago | parent [-]

It’s not “other people’s work” because Steve didn’t do any work. He vibe coded hundreds of thousands of lines that don’t do what they’re supposed to with many thousands of lines of documentation that are inaccurate at best and aspirational at worst. He wrote some blog posts and got them picked up by vapid outlets that had nothing else to add to boost his exposure.

Case in point: no one talks about beads or gastown on HN because it’s crap that no one uses. Even *claw and that dumb fad get more mileage. meanwhile, CC vs Codex is an ever ongoing battle and Anthropic employees announce policy changes in “Tell HN” posts which stay on the front page for days.

	▲	zombot 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		The deluge of manure we're drowning in is nerve-wracking and desensitizing. I hardly look at HN any more because it's 90% AI crap now.

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DonHopkins 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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Quarrelsome 2 days ago | parent [-]

cos it proves that he's wrong for not looking at it, thus undermining the very principle of what he's trying to do.

	▲	throwup238 a day ago \| parent [-]
		I don't need to touch and taste a pile of shit, to identify a pile of shit. If that is a foreign concept, I hope to god that you have excellent health insurance.

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underarm5717 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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	▲	Uhhrrr 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		If you actually follow the links you posted, you will see that he didn't create a meme coin and didn't rug pull it. Someone else made the coin and set it up so he got transfer fees.