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taytus 4 hours ago

You are arguing something different. My point is that they must apply these restrictions. Do I think they could have calculated their growth a little better? Yes, of course, but hindsight is 20/20.

joshstrange 3 hours ago | parent [-]

We might be talking past each other, I promise I'm not just trying to argue.

> My point is that they must apply these restrictions.

I fully understand and respect they need restrictions on how you can use your subscription (or any of their offerings). My issue is not there there _are_ restrictions but that the restrictions themselves are unclear which leads to people being unsure where the line is (that they are trying not to cross).

Put simply: At what point is `claude -p` usage not allowed on a subscription:

- Running `claude -p` from the CLI?

- Running `claude -p` on a Cron?

- Running `claude -p` as a response to some external event? (GH action, webhook, etc?)

- Running `claude -p` when I receive a Telegram/Discord/etc message (from myself)?

Different people will draw the line in different places and Anthropic is not forthcoming about what is or is not allowed. Essentially, there is a spectrum between "Running claude by hand on the command line" and "OpenClaw" [0] and we don't know where they draw the line. Because of that, and because the banning process is draconian and final with no appeals, it leads to a lot of frustration.

[0] I do not use OpenClaw nor am I arguing it should be allowed on the subscription. It would be nice if it was but I'm not saying it should be. I'm just saying that OpenClaw clearly is _not_ allowed but `claude -p` wouldn't be usable at all with a subscription if it was completely banned so what can it (safely) be used for?