| ▲ | raincole 5 hours ago |
| > "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" I never buy into this. If copyright law doesn't exist, pirate sites will eventually always provide better service than the official channels. One example is scanlation manga. Chinese scanlation sites have reached the theoretical ceiling of service: just serve images fast with a little nonintrusive ad. No login required. No way the official Japanese apps can provide significant better service than that. |
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| ▲ | nodja 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Official sites make things worse on purpose after getting any sort of traction because they can't stop chasing profits. I don't watch sports, but my father watches soccer. He really only cares about 1 team and the national games from our home country. He was spending over $100/month to be able to watch the games, and they werent even in his native language. Now he pays $80/year for a pirate IPTV service and not only can he watch the games anywhere he wants, he also gets native language commentary for the games, national tv channels like news, etc. When pirates can charge you money and offer a superior service, it absolutely is a service problem. You can claim that the realities of licensing and whatnot don't allow official channels to provide the best service they can, but that's not true in this case. When the same provider is splitting game broadcast from one team into different packages you know they're just trying to extract the most amount of money possible. IDK the deal with scanlator sites nowadays, but I assume the official sites can provide more timely translations for manga since they can access the source material before anyone has seen it. I know most popular manga gets translated within hours of release, but if you're following some more niche stuff it can be several days. I also know a lot of scanlators have patreon pages so it's not like the demand from paying customers for translated media isn't there. |
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| ▲ | roer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It doesn't have to be significantly better. If the service is stable, cheap and hassle-free, people will pay for it. |
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| ▲ | plantain 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | For many users it's just not true. I run a subscription weather forecast service for pilots, with a free trial period. A significant number of users reset their device every week to avoid paying 10 euros a month. These are aircraft owners. | | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Just because you own an aircraft, doesn't mean you have a budget to pay random EUR 10/month subscriptions. People save money to buy expensive stuff. Or take out loans. One cannot assume that everyone doesn't care about spending < X dollars, where X is = 1% of the most expensive asset they own (see e.g. $3000 gaming PC vs. $30 software, elsewhere in the thread). | | |
| ▲ | plantain 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Then don't use it. Use BBC weather. The sense of entitlement is insufferable. | |
| ▲ | fragmede 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Everyone's poorer than you think, and sometimes the richest seeming people are under a mountain of debt. > own an aircraft, doesn't mean you have a budget to pay random EUR 10/month subscriptions. Still, if you can't afford a €10/mo subscription necessary to operate the airplane safely, when hanger fees are well in excess of that, then perhaps you can't actually afford to own an airplane? Airplanes aren't cheap to own, nevermind the aircraft itself. Put it another way. I like driving BMWs, but, y'know what, I hate having to pay insurance, and I can't afford to pay that after
the monthly BMW lease payment, so I just don't pay it, cause fuck that noise. I don't think most people's response to someone saying that would be "eh, sounds fine, BMWs are expensive". "So don't drive a BMW." seems like more likely reaction to me. | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The reason people will tell you that is because paying for car insurance is rarely something you can just opt not to do, at least not without consequences. The consequence for not paying for a $10/month service is having to perform a minimally inconvenient chore once a week. |
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| ▲ | ronsor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Probably because resetting first is sufficiently easy for them, especially if they're not flying terribly often. | |
| ▲ | array_key_first an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There will always be some amount of people who are too cheap to pay. However, that doesn't mean that if you plug all the holes that they will pay. No. They'll just not use your service. In the long run it's better to keep these types of people around because they at least advertise your service. But getting any money out of them is a pipe dream. People often frame piracy as "oh 5% pirated instead of paying!" Well... the "instead of" part is doing the heavy lifting there. The options arent pirate or pay. They're pirate, pay, or not use. | | |
| ▲ | plantain 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | In the short term, maybe. I don't think that's the case in the long run. They normalise the behaviour for others, even telling them about how to get around paying. I see strong clustering of the behaviour. |
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| ▲ | rrr_oh_man 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's crazy! I would LOVE to hear more of that. |
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| ▲ | alt227 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When Spotify came along, music piracy all but vanished. It has already been proven in other media, it needs to happen with sports and streaming in general, then media piracy will be a thing of the past. |
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| ▲ | nradov 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Perhaps, but I don't think the sports leagues and other video content providers will ever agree to letting their IP be devalued that way. They see what happened to musicians and record labels with Spotify as a cautionary tale, not a model to emulate. Otoh, maybe Netflix and other streaming video services will start their own sports leagues in order to vertically integrate and own everything end-to-end just like what they did with TV and movie production. It would be tough and expensive but maybe not impossible? | |
| ▲ | raincole 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Music is the single field where copyright laws are enforced aggressively. Plus signers and bands earn pennis from Spotify. Practically Spotify did vanished music privacy - by proving how bad a business it is to sell music and pushing the whole industry to personal branding (tours+ad revenue). |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > just serve images fast with a little nonintrusive ad. No login required. No way the official Japanese apps can provide significant better service than that. Why not? Provide same experience but for logged in users with extra benefits that they feel like it's worth paying for, behind-the-scenes content, WIP, whatever. There is always a way to stand out and provide a better experience, the very least because all people in the world don't want the same thing, and you can always find somewhat of a niche somehow. |
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| ▲ | hirako2000 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Except that it isn't true. Candycrush (CrunchyRoll of course) had gained the love of the anime crowd. Until they started to "optimise" bandwidth. It wasn't a pricing error as subscription price didn't increase. They claim the degradation was perceptible. Except that it was. It was many years ago, and since then candycrush lost subscribers. It won't because illegal streaming platforms got better, simply because the illegal platform provided the choice to go all the way to lossless quality. For football, imo that's a pricing issue as well as a distribution issue. Basically I need to subscribe to a lock in plan even if I just desire to watch, say, the quarter to finals. Or simply the champions league. |
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| ▲ | roer 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I assume you meant Crunchyroll. They've gotten even worse recently by moving away from .ass subtitles which removes a ton of typesetting options | |
| ▲ | falcor84 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Candycrush? I suppose you mean Crunchyroll, right? | | |
| ▲ | hirako2000 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's right. Pervasive games got into my head. As the other commenter, I also confirm the sub got worse. |
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| ▲ | nemomarx 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can they try providing equal service to that? Ie, localized into English at the same time as the fans group, fast loading site, etc. In my experience they're usually noticeably behind in those areas even with a subscription active. |
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| ▲ | Retr0id 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But copyright law does exist? |
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| ▲ | themafia 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The pirates still exist. The legitimate users are punished. Might as well abandon the law. | | |
| ▲ | Retr0id 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | DRM is effective(ish) because of both technical and legal mechanisms. Without the legal mechanisms they'd ramp up the technical ones, which might end up even worse for legitimate users. | | |
| ▲ | themafia 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | DRM is completely ineffective. It simply increases the cost of "piracy," as well as legitimate actions like home backup, to about $200 USD. The worse they make it for legitimate users the more likely they are to just buy the necessary device and move on. The technical battle is not some limitless option that IP owners get to use, it eventually impinges on their core interests. | | |
| ▲ | nradov 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | DRM is somewhat effective. I'm lazy enough about entertainment that I don't even bother with piracy. If content providers don't want to make it cheap and easy for me to watch then fuck 'em, I'll watch something else. I have a zillion other options. | | |
| ▲ | BlueRock-Jake 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Someone mentioned this previously in thread about how piracy (at least for sporting events) are a price issue. If they didn't charge an arm and a leg to watch (thinking of the NBA/NFL tv packages) they wouldn't have a problem. | |
| ▲ | themafia 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The article is about sports leagues. I assume you're not as fungible with your choices there? Or at least, you'd agree, it isn't for the majority of the actual audience in question. See old school satellite piracy for a clear example of where this is headed. |
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| ▲ | 0x457 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I mean you just proved that it's service problem. |
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| ▲ | fsniper 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I read this as you are in fact in agreement with the statement. If that's the ceiling, provide the same level of service and gain more of the market. In which you have all the means to be faster, non-intrusive, and less faulty so that you can be always better. |