Critical bit:

> i.e. without brain-washing and deliberately working to create out-groups

And if my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bicycle. The process of creating an in group naturally creates out groups. The “brainwashing” OP describes is just as natural as social alignment through an innate drive for conformity.

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cwmoore 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Conformity I think follows the innate drive to coerce the nonconformant into compliance

	▲	JumpCrisscross 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Sure. Push and pull. The point is that needs effort to work at larger scales. We don’t “naturally” organize into nations of three hundred million or a billion. To the extent we do, we also “naturally” go to war.

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pineaux 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

There is a pretty interesting study of a large group of chimps. I dont remember where exactly but they have been civil warring the last 15 years or so. Point is, it seems that there is some kind of innate group formation process.