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cogman10 4 hours ago

I think the issue is this isn't seen by politicians as a motivating vote driver. It is, however, a motivation for someone to go out and vote against a politician.

That's ultimately what keeps things like MJ illegal. There are just far too many people that will get upset about it if it were made federally legal.

My state, Idaho, has one such politician that is constantly bringing up and trying to find ways to keep the wacky tabacy out of the state. Including trying to amend the state constitution for it. He does this because he's mormon and the mormons are scared of the devil's lettuce.

lokar 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This gets at something I think a lot of people don't really understand. They see polls that show strong support for policy X, and then complain that politicians don't enact it. What they fail to consider is that while a strong majority may be in favor of the policy, it's not the top (or top 3) priority, and they will support candidates that have the opposite position on X, if they support their top priority.

This is situation where well thought out (and moderately constrained) referendum process can help achieve the majority desire for a policy that would not otherwise be considered important enough to drive the selection of representatives.

limagnolia an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mormons voted strongly to legalize MJ in Utah. Maybe your politician is just an odd man out?

edit: Well, I should note the Utah vote was only for "medical" MJ.

cogman10 an hour ago | parent [-]

It got through via a ballot initiative. It wouldn't have been passed by the legislators in UT without that.

That's why the guy in my state, C. Scott Grow, has also been fighting to make ballot initiatives harder. He's terrified that an MJ initiative would make it's way in that way.

rhcom2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Republicans in Utah are also trying to remove the power from ballot initiatives because they're upset the Utahans passed an anti-gerrymandering initiative.

mothballed 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yaeh this is a thing states do. South Dakota went in cahoots with the courts to cancel the ballot initiative to legalize weed, and California went in cahoots with the courts to sabotage prop 8 (the banning of gay marriage).

jrflowers 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> C. Scott Grow

Reverse nominal determinism

socalgal2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You should argue with him he's acting like Satan. The mormons (I used to be one) say that Satan wanted to force everyone to be good, Jesus wanted each person to have free will and choose.

redsocksfan45 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

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sir0010010 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I personally would be okay with having it legal if smoking could still be banned in multifamily complexes. I don't care if my neighbors are using edibles, but since I know that legalized weed means more smoke coming from my neighbors' balconies, I will always vote "No" when marijuana legalization is on the ballot in my location.

pattilupone 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can smoking tobacco be banned in multifamily complexes currently? I'd think the policy would be the same.

ryoshoe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

HOAs tend to manage this kind of thing

hedgedoops2 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Lol, yes, subsidiarity.

HOAs, the lowest level of US government.

dfdsjsdklfjs 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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refulgentis an hour ago | parent [-]

You've made about a dozen comments in this thread and they've escalated from "HOAs are unconstitutional" to "I'd rather shoot my fellow citizens than be drafted if weed isn't legal" to "driving high is fine, I've done it for decades." Each one a little more unhinged than the last, which is an accomplishment given where it started.

It reads less like a coherent political philosophy and more like someone who's been hitting the sacrament a little too hard this morning.

I smoke your "sacrament" daily, and cigarettes, and I'm terrified that people will think you're representative of either of those classes, or even a minority of them.

Most people in this thread broadly agree with you that marijuana should be legal. You're somehow picking fights with your own allies because they had the audacity to say they don't like the smell, or that driving impaired is bad. You're not defending freedom, you're being contrarian and hostile to anyone who doesn't arrive at your exact position with your exact intensity.

And the driving thing isn't a matter of opinion. "I've done it for decades and never caused an accident" is the exact argument every drunk driver makes right up until they do. Your anecdotal survival is not evidence of safety.

dfdsjsdklfjs 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So you're OK if it's legal, as long as it's not legal.

You're OK with people being thrown in prison, because you don't like the smell.

And you wonder why people call you a selfish nation full of selfish people.

bonesss an hour ago | parent | next [-]

VOCs and carcinogens are a health hazard. Asthma, kids development, allergies, and occasional migraine trigger.

It’s not random we call it ‘dank’ or ‘skunk’ and if it’s good it should piss off your neighbours.

It’s 2026. Dry flower vapes get you higher, with less product, and sparing the lungs. They have a smell more in line with popcorn than a cigarette. They come in everything from one-hitter to portable-volcano. Fans exist too.

jrflowers 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

> VOCs and carcinogens are a health hazard. Asthma, kids development, allergies, and occasional migraine trigger.

This is the foundational reasoning for making perfume, air fresheners, deodorant, and scented cleaning supplies illegal to possess or use.

toast0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think it's unreasonable to desire to be free from the noxious odors of others.

> The right to waft my smells in any direction ends where your nose begins.

- Abraham Lincoln or Ben Franklin or Mark Twain or someone

sir0010010 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's not just because marijuana "smells bad". Secondhand marijuana smoke contains many of the same toxic chemicals as secondhand cigarette smoke and likely is similarly deleterious to your health [1]. I also believe everyone should have the right to be able to open their windows and have clean air come through. Smoking on balconies denies people this right. Edibles only effect the user and therefore should be permitted.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/cannabis/health-effects/secondhand-smoke...

dfdsjsdklfjs 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you think it's proper to put me in a cage because you don't like the smell of the sacrament that I smoke, I think it's OK to throw you off the nearest 13th story balcony.

I'm certainly not going to, say, be drafted into a world war to fight and most likely die for people who want to throw me in a cage. I'd rather shoot them instead.

EDIT: inb4 the guy who pops in with the government "study" claiming weed smoke is bad. What a shock that Uncle Scam would come to such a self-serving conclusion! Please, CDC, tell me more.

Meanwhile I am way healthier than the majority of people on this forum. It's been decades since I was sick--how about y'all? How full is your pill cabinet, on a scale from 0 to "the average American has 11 prescriptions"? NONE in mine. Guess I'm not a drug abuser like most of y'all.

And as for the Karen who replied above to cry about my "unhinged" statements, the point is it is you people who are--in actual reality, where I reside--unhinged. You're either petty tyrants or in league with petty tyrants, and your protestations about my opinions or actions are of zero concern to me.

The bottom line is this: I smoke weed every day, illegally. I also grow weed, illegally. I also breed my own weed varieties, illegally. I acquire seeds illegally. I give seeds away illegally. I drive while high as fuck illegally, and do so quite safely, opinions of idiot Karens be damned. I'm high right now, sitting here with a corncob pipe full of weed while writing this very comment, on a throwaway account, and a throwaway internet connection that cannot be traced--so you can see that I am quite functional in my use of English while high, also. In point of fact I can run circles around you, physically and intellectually--and I am aware of this fact, even if you are not.

To bring it back to the actual subject of this article: I distill my own whiskey too, illegally, with exactly zero fucks given as to yours or anyone else's opinion on the subject. And it's some of the finest, cleanest, purest moonshine there is. It's like sipping water. Nothing store bought can compare.

Uncle Scam is the last person whose opinion I would respect concerning my freedom to act as I please. I learned long ago how crooked this nation and its people are, and I have taken precautions to ensure my continued freedom in a world that is sliding continually toward chattel slavery.

To summarize: I get to keep doing exactly what the fuck I want to do concerning this weed, or alcohol, or any other substance I choose to use or experiment with--PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION. There is simply not a damn thing you can do to stop me or my people. We will stop YOU first.

stale2002 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

It doesn't have to be criminally illegal. Instead it could simply be civil. The apartment complex, which you do not own, would be the ones setting the rules here.

And you, of your own free choice, would have the choice to either follow the rules or go live somewhere else. The person you are responding to doesn't have an issue with you smoking in your own purchased home. Instead this was about apartment complexes.

And it wouldn't even have to be a law applied to you. It could be applied to the apartment complex. Apartment complexes already have to follow lots of laws. So they could simply be required to have this as a rule.

And then you, could make your libertarian choice to live there or not. Its not your apartment complex after all. And since its someone else property, they would absolutely have the free to make you not do this in their own property.

safety1st an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh good grief. This is such an uninformed and unnecessarily belligerent take.

We can and do have public nuisance laws which kick in when an individual is impinging upon the health, safety, comfort etc. of other people. This exists in jurisdictions all over the world for all kinds of things, the penalties are usually minor and applied only to repeat offenders. It is completely reasonable for someone to support the idea of these applying to marijuana use, in fact, in most jurisdictions where marijuana is legal, they probably already do. Yes, repeatedly stink up your neighbor's apartment and you may get a warning followed by a fine, deal with it. Your parent is not a Nazi and is not throwing stoners in prison. Perhaps go touch grass instead of smoking it now and then.