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lioeters 2 hours ago

It's an international coordinated effort to undermine every single citizen's privacy, an agenda being pushed for years, again and again in every country and state, by a coalition including Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc., corporations that profit greatly from mandatory identity verification online. It's only a matter of time until they buy out enough politicians to push it through and force future generations to live under their panopticon. Same with digitization of money.

bombcar a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

They likely don't even really care about the panopticon - they see a way to build a moat that even billion-dollar startups won't be able to easily cross.

Regulatory capture is real.

randcraw 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That coordinated effort also includes the buying up of US media sources by billionaires and gigacorps to control the content of not just news sources and social forums, but every electronic window we have onto the world.

Remember, the panopticon observed people who were in a prison.

kelseyfrog an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I hate privacy, even down to the idea itself. I will buy out politicians, and push relentlessly until every trace of privacy is eliminated from the world. I love being watched. The idea of a panopticon makes me feel amazing and I want to force it on everyone until the end of time.

EvanAnderson 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm reading your comment as sarcasm, but I do have a non-sarcastic hot take on it.

If we have to live in a panopticon I think access to the data should be available to everyone. That eliminates the power imbalance and/or makes the idea of the thing distasteful to powerful people who might actually try to restore privacy and eliminate the panopticon.

kelseyfrog 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If those wish to preserve privacy want to be effective, there needs to be a pragmatism in understanding differing opinions. Reducing opponents to caricatures and fighting those is a losers strategy. It will guarantee defeat.

Being able to accurately articulate a position one doesn't possess themselves is necessary to effectively countering it.

hypercube33 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Power is then moved to whomever owns the most computer power and perhaps education

EvanAnderson 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's what it is now. Computing power is just a proxy for capital.

potsandpans 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> If we have to live in a panopticon...

So that's where we are now? "If we have to live in the torture nexus, let's at least make it equitable"

bee_rider 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I can see why people fall into the trap of calling for an equitable torment nexus: it is both cynical (it supposes everyone in power is corrupt and everyone at the top would oppose an equitable torment nexus) and also naive/optimistic (it supposes that we have any hope to actually impose an equitable torment nexus).

But I think the latter factor wins out, so we should just oppose obviously bad things in a non-clever fashion.

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kelseyfrog 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The fact that you couldn't identify it as sarcasm/satire is indictive of not having an accurate understanding of your opponents position. If you want to defeat your opponents, understand their calculus.