[flagged]

JumpCrisscross 16 hours ago | parent [-]

> the sentiment for many is that 'we don't care we have nothing to lose anyway'

Everyone says this before they learn what they didn’t value. Peace, for example.

> Its easy for you to say, all perched up as a VC

It’s easy to say for anyone who has read the history of political violence. When that comes on the table, universally [1], the people with power also have the power to raise armies. The people who stand to benefit from violent insurrection, today, are the oligarchs.

This happens every time because it’s obvious. If CEOs getting killed is normal, then activists against those companies getting killed is normal too. A lot more people will kill for a million dollars than because they hate some guy.

[1] Apart from early 20th century Communist revolutions, where elites actually suffered.

▲

impossiblefork 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think you're extremely wrong here.

Here in Sweden, political violence by the farmer class ensured that by the end of the pre-democracy era, self-owning farmers held 50% of the land, whereas in Denmark, it was only 10%.

This was due to violence, serious, organized war-like violence; and yes, of course the government brought in mercenaries, noble forces, etc. but fighting the farmer class had a substantial cost, and that they were willing to impose that cost gave them better conditions.

Killing guys at the bottom is very different from killing somebody at the top. If people are killing activists, journalists etc. that is always oppression. If people are killing people at the top it can be either way, depending on whether they are put there by some large grass-roots phenomenon or are trying to run society from the top of a pyramid, but in your argument you are placing these things as equal, you say:

>If CEOs getting killed is normal, then activists against those companies getting killed is normal too

and this is false. It is so false I don't quite understand how anyone can write it.

▲

shooly 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It’s easy to say for anyone who has read the history of political violence

Reading and understanding do not always go along, though.

▲

Teever 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How should people who live in allied countries that the US has recently threatened to economically annex or invade feel about US military contractor oligarchs being attacked?

The way I see it, the pragmatic choice is to prefer to see Americans attack themselves because a divided America is less of a threat to my country.

Sometimes less civilized countries fall into civil war, sometimes they invade neighbours. If you're the neighbour which would you prefer?

Is that a reasonable perspective to you?

▲

d3ff 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[flagged]

	▲	JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> these people don't care about a history lesson - they act as they do irrespective of logic I doubt they’re on this forum. > Clearly you're not a fella who's faced much hardship in life Ha. Putting my own past aside, I’ve found it’s folks who grew up never knowing violence who are the quickest to embrace it. > They already do There is always more.

▲

gamblor956 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If CEOs getting killed is normal, then activists against those companies getting killed is normal too. A lot more people will kill for a million dollars than because they hate some guy.

The more likely result is either that every member of the board and c-suite ends up on death row, or in a grave. There are far more people willing to avenge loved ones than there are people willing to kill for money.