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amarant 10 hours ago

Ah, good old Apple, where for only $9.99 a month, you can experience what Linux offered for free 15+ years ago.

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jazzyjackson 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

as long as we're quipping, free software is free so long as you don't value your time

	▲	bigyabai 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It takes me longer to login to PayPal than it takes to install Dash-to-Panel: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/ Maybe that's just what $10 worth of labor looks like in today's economy, though. Times are tough.

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cosmic_cheese 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not really true if what you want is a full macOS-style desktop experience with a few choice features from elsewhere bolted on. Linux desktops are predominantly Windows-style or minimal tiling thing, with the exceptions (GNOME, Pantheon) bearing only surface-level Mac aesthetics and being more comparable to superpowered tablet OS experiences.

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gunapologist99 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

MacOS is neutered for any advanced or even power user compared to practically any Linux desktop experience. Trying to just resize or remove a window should convince you of that instantly.

	▲	oneplane 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		That statement makes no sense. X11 works fine on macOS and running it in rootful mode with Gnome essentially works the same way it would work on an OS that uses the Linux kernel. Granted, it will not integrate with anything hardware-wise by itself (unless there's a package for it - if not, macOS still handles it, and Aqua/Quartz will keep running in the background anyway), but if what you wanted was something that is KDE or GNOME running with its own WM on its own X11 server, doing the exact same thing you'd get if you're running a Linux distro, that's been natively possible for over 15 years. If a power user loses their power based on what GUI happens to be in front of them, how much of a power user was the power user to begin with?
	▲	cosmic_cheese 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It's just a matter of what one is used to. As someone who's used macOS since before OS X was released (alongside Windows and Linux), moving and resizing windows rarely poses issues.

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amarant 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you expand a bit on what you mean by "Superpowered tablet os"?

I'm tend to think of it as a server os with a DE, but as a backend developer I'm probably biased.

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cosmic_cheese 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm talking about the desktop environment explicitly, not the underlying OS.

To me, GNOME and Pantheon (elementaryOS DE) strongly resemble e.g. iPadOS or Android running on a tablet for a few reasons:

- Chunky heavily padded touch-optimized UI elements (even when no touch capability is present)

- By default, minimize button not present in titlebars

- Near total abandonment of menubars in favor of mobile-style "hamburger" menus

- By default, no desktop icons (not even an app grid!)

- Simplistic ecosystem apps with mobile-like philosophy of eschewing functionality that doesn't fit in toolbars and hamburger menus

- Little to no presence of progressive disclosure (enabling power user functions to be present without falling in the path of novices and tripping them up)

- Limited extensibility and scriptability (more so than macOS in some ways), with what exists (GNOME extensions) being fragile and breaking constantly due to needing to monkeypatch UI code

While it's not my cup of tea, KDE and even less trendy DEs like XFCE do a better job at acting like an actual desktop environment and surfacing the capabilities of the system.

	▲	amarant 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Ah. Well then I'll argue my original statement holds. Op himself likened his product to gnome 2. Gnome 3 was released 15 years ago so if anything I was generous in my original comment.

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dismalaf 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Gnome is a pretty big exception lol. Considering it's the dominant DE.

Also tablet OS? Gnome is keyboard driven with tiling features OOTB...

	▲	cosmic_cheese 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		See my answer to the other comment[0]. Being keyboard-driven is nice but doesn't make up for these things, and these days macOS comes with Aero-Snap-like tiling built in too. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47743939