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| ▲ | toast0 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| It depends on what the political system is trying to do. A VPN won't help against government blanket outages, where the target is complete control of communications, and attempts to circumvent may result in extreme penalty. In this case, where the government policy is to stop unauthorized streaming, and collatoral damage is acceptable, a VPN hosted in a more favorable location is likely to work enough. Afaik, I don't think Spain has the political appetite to block VPNs and such during football matches. You can still fight the political issue with political means, but in the mean time, you can also get work done. |
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| ▲ | swiftcoder 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > Afaik, I don't think Spain has the political appetite to block VPNs and such during football matches Unfortunately nobody is quite sure what appetite they have, because LaLiga is doing this all on the back of a relatively narrow judicial ruling that hasn't been reviewed in a long time |
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| ▲ | peanut-walrus 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes you can. Fight with clever technical solutions and the politics will follow once the solution becomes common or displays its usefulness. It is in fact the most effective way to fight dumb political issues. |
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| ▲ | tryauuum 2 days ago | parent [-] | | In my country (Russia) the politics followed, now the ISPs block the OpenVPN and wireguard packets. And sometimes the white list mode is enabled, so you cannot connect, with your clever custom VPN solution, to a host outside the country | | |
| ▲ | necovek 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | You should be able to use things like sshuttle or even tunnel through HTTPS whatever you want, right? As you can control both sides of the tunnel with encryption (comes by default), no MITM-ing unless you are forced to use solutions that install and eavesdrop on your secure traffic too. | | |
| ▲ | out_of_protocol 2 days ago | parent [-] | | 1) they do protocol sniffing, and any inconsistency (including statistical) gets you blocked
2) "white list mode" which engaged sometimes (poorly implemented atm), means nothing goes outside of country at all (means 99.9% of everything is broken). They really want to become North Korea soon | | |
| ▲ | necovek a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Are any streaming sites allowed? It should be really easy to make a VPN through HTTPS tunnel appear to have a traffic pattern exactly like you are streaming videos and/or music (depending in the bandwidth needs) by throwing discardable traffic through when no valuable traffic is needed. Obviously, everything can be cut off, but the point is that if encrypted something is allowed, there should be a way to get anything through. | |
| ▲ | bryan_w 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | If they turn off the internet, that gives you more time to meet your neighbors and do "arts and crafts" and read (cook)books. He's getting so old, at some point the horse throws him off |
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| ▲ | peanut-walrus 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | And eventually even a worm will turn. |
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| ▲ | psychoslave 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's actually part of rebellion modus operandi, so totally something realistic. But not within the frame of law and not in the sweet position of someone away from the "I'll die for the just cause" mindset. |
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| ▲ | tryauuum 2 days ago | parent [-] | | can you rephrase your idea please. What's realistic, fighting stupid laws or corporations with a VPN? Yes, but not for long. They are always stronger than you, they can switch from blacklisting to whitelisting and your VPN becomes useless. What is this "sweet position" you talk about? | | |
| ▲ | psychoslave 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Sorry for being unclear. I was trying to refer to an actual rebel position, which is actors which use illegal practices to achieve their goals agaisnt institutions in place. Which might have the cool attitude imagery attached to it, but which is certainly not an easy one in reality. |
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| ▲ | logicchains 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You totally can, that's why bittorrent still exists and works fine. |
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| ▲ | fc417fc802 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| That became a popular refrain at some point but the truth of it varies. In fact many political issues are brought about by technical changes so obviously the reverse must be possible as well. What technical solutions can't change is the underlying social dynamics. |
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| ▲ | necovek 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Even that is IMO untrue: "technical solutions" have indeed changed society at large quite significantly; eg. "social media" is one very influential example, "smart phone" is another, "internet" itself, etc. | | |
| ▲ | fc417fc802 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Aren't you agreeing with me? None of those things changed the underlying social dynamics that humans exhibit but they nonetheless affected widespread social and political change. | | |
| ▲ | necovek a day ago | parent [-] | | We might have different definitions of "social dynamics": to me, it is a marked change when people tune to impress strangers on "social media", vs building their "standing" with peers and neighbours. |
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