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| ▲ | 59nadir 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you imagine paying the actual cost of it, or a subscription cost that at least ballpark matched it? I don't think I have a single friend or acquaintance who realistically would. | |
| ▲ | infecto 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You are simply a bit too entitled. It's not a premium product and honestly not that expensive in my opinion either (though that is going to depend on your location). You are more than able to pay for API rates. | | |
| ▲ | siva7 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | You may want to learn the difference between someone being able to pay API rates and someone willing to pay API rates. I'm sure many people on HN are able to pay API rates and almost all of them aren't willing to pay API rates. The providers know this hence why subscriptions exist. API is almost solely used by companies as almost no private person would be willing to pay that. | | |
| ▲ | infecto 2 days ago | parent [-] | | “You may want to learn” such choice way to introduce your position which is really not much of one. If you are going to come and complain about a $200 subscription that gives you $400 worth of API tokens there is only so much room to complain. Only so many lemons can be squeezed. Hope that was a helpful for you. |
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| ▲ | Dylan16807 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | A normal person pays $0-10 for an AI plan, maybe double that for a business. $200 is premium. | | |
| ▲ | infecto a day ago | parent [-] | | It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. Those $200 gives you at least $400 in API cost tokens. Don't confused price with "premium service". It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. You are buying a subsidized product when using the plan and the more you spend the more tokens you get, has nothing to do with being a premium service. | | |
| ▲ | everforward 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is a messaging issue on their part, which I think is partially intentional. It’s not unreasonable for people to expect the most expensive subscription plan to be “premium”. That’s how it works everywhere else. They typically have better margins on the premium plans, and the monthly payment gives them reliable cash flow at that higher margin. You’re right that that’s not true at Anthropic (or really most AI providers). You’re not even really buying tokens because you get billed whether you use it or not, the tokens don’t carry over like buying API tokens, and they get to dictate what an acceptable way to use those tokens is. They are cheaper though, assuming you actually use them. Which Anthropic et al would really prefer you didn’t. | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. The cheap plans are usually semi-unlimited the same way but not as powerful. This isn't simply a matter of buying more tokens. > It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. Compared to OTA that's premium, but more relevantly if most cable buyers are getting a hypothetical $10 bundle then the $100 one is a premium bundle. | | |
| ▲ | infecto a day ago | parent [-] | | Sorry still not sure what you’re going on about . The majority of LLM plans are simply a token purchase. The $200 account buys you nothing but tokens. It’s not a premium service, it’s simply more tokens. This is true for most of the companies out there. The original comment was they are paying for a premium service. No they are paying for more tokens. You lot going on and on arguing over some small hill. | | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 a day ago | parent [-] | | The lower tier openai and google plans don't have access to the same models. Where are you seeing popular plans that are simply token purchases? | | |
| ▲ | infecto 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | I guess if you want to go that deep sure they sometimes offer early access, access to new agents/models but ultimately it’s a function of tokens. The selling point for most/all providers is x times the usage. You are upgrading for the token access. Claude was the topic at hand and higher tiers buy you more tokens. I know some like Gemini bundle a ton of junk alongside the tokens but you really are still buying yourself more tokens. There is nothing premium in a $200 Claude account. You are buying more tokens, $100 is the same as $200 except token count. Hope that helps. ;) | | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | > $100 is the same as $200 except token count But I was making an argument about the $10 plans, not the $100 plans. Claude doesn't even go that low. Except the free plan which has a very reduced feature list. Claude's $20 and $100 are pretty similar except tokens, that part is true. So they're a bit higher priced and more of the "it's just tokens" model. But the market as a whole is mostly selling a limited feature set down at lower price points. On average, getting up to the point where you have full access and are paying per-token is itself a premium jump. | | |
| ▲ | infecto 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are standing on top of an ant hill and I still don’t fully understand your position. The original post was about the premium service Anthropic plans. There is no such thing, you are simply paying for more tokens. Hope that helps. | | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Any $200/month AI plan is premium. Hope that helps. | | |
| ▲ | infecto 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I know why I typically don’t respond to your posts. So much said and I am still not sure your point. You have ignored the original point and gone off on a tangent. It is not a premium service that deserves special care which was what the original commenter stated. It is a $200 account that buys you $400+ on tokens. Hope that helps recenter this weird path we are following. :) | | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > gone off on a tangent What? What I just said was my one and only point from the very beginning. The price is so much higher than the median that that makes it premium and deserving of some special care. I understand your point of view here, and it's fine if you disagree with mine but it's weird if you don't at least understand my point by now. You saying my last comment is a tangent suggests you don't understand me. But it's a simple point and I'm not sure how to make it clearer. Does that help recenter? |
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| ▲ | charcircuit 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not a premium product. It's just expensive. |
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