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dwroberts 12 hours ago

> But this is not the way. This is how things devolve into chaos.

Meanwhile

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-people-ha...

> U.S.-based rights group HRANA said 3,636 people have been killed since the war erupted. It said 1,701 of those were civilians, including at least 254 children.

(Mentioning this specifically because we know the DoD is using AI)

TiredOfLife 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Iran killed 10 times more during protests without using AI. So AI is a clear improvement.

LunaSea 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How many people did the US kill in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last 25 years?

lostmsu 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Any people or combatants?

What about the other side? Do you expect the ratio to be different in the last 25 years?

Fricken 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

About 38 million have died as a result of US wars in the middle east this millenium.

margalabargala 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Way more than AI did. Another point to AI.

LunaSea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

AI is wielded by the same actor as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

randcraw 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So far.

gilrain 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Better kill the same civilian population they did, as perverse punishment, then? We have to kill them, or else Iran will kill them? The logic of this war doesn’t.

pydry 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

...according to two anonymous government officials.

Coincidentally that's literally the exact same evidence cited to prove the existence of Saddam's WMDs just before launching an entirely different unprovoked attack.

That was just an unhappy mistake though, this time it's totally legit.

DrProtic 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There is 0 evidence that many people died.

Let’s not parrot that media propaganda.

bigDinosaur 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's plenty of evidence that it's tens of thousands, but it's absurd to even argue over those numbers when a government massacring any number of its own citizens is morally reprehensible (whether it's 5k or 50k). Iran has a long history of executing its own citizens en masse.

Iran has admitted outright to 6k deaths, by the way.

MSFT_Edging 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was thinking about this, if the deaths were actually at the scale of 10's of thousands, would that not be visible from space?

The US must have several dozen spy satellites pointed at Iran. We get various imagery to show us successful strikes. Where are the images of the mass slaughter in the street?

The number I keep seeing is 30k killed. That's not an easy endeavor over the course of a week without big logistical hurdles. The trucks, the digging equipment, the furnaces to burn the bodies, all should have some visible trace that the US gov could point to as proof.

Yet all we got is a "trust me bro".

DrProtic 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We have many videos of protests in Iran even though they shut down internet, but somehow we have no videos of mass killings.

WMD all over again.

MSFT_Edging 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Like I did see a handful of videos with body bags lining the street, but it couldn't have been more than 1-2 dozen. I've seen videos and satellite images of actual mass graves in gaza, fields full of bodies covered in sheets. Endless videos of toddlers with amputated limbs.

eMPee584 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

your assumption being the thugs mugging these protesters take care of the dead bodies, which I doubt

MSFT_Edging 4 hours ago | parent [-]

piles of bodies on the street would also be visible.

FrustratedMonky 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there 0 evidence that it happened?

or just arguing over 20K,30K,50k?

Just want to clarify. Since some people argue Covid never happened, and some just argue the total deaths wasn't really that high.

There is a sliding scale between "I sound like a raving crazy person", and "i'm just splitting hairs."

DrProtic 8 hours ago | parent [-]

We have many videos of protests in Iran even though they shut down internet, but somehow we have no videos of mass killings or even small scale murders.

lostmsu 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Wouldn't they shut down the Internet for me but not for thee?

dirasieb 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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