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bluegatty 4 days ago

Kotlin is a few tweaks on top of Java, most of which aren't relevant anymore, and it's not strictly better in most ways other than saving a few keystrokes (and preference).

It's a little bit nicer to write but that's almost irrelevant.

It also comes with some runtime cruft.

In reality there is no Kotlin without Java, which means most projects end up a bit 'dual'; every single Kotlin project we've had (except Android) folded back onto Java. Even Scala wasn't worth it, though that's a different question.

olcay_ 4 days ago | parent [-]

There definitely is Kotlin without Java, and you can compile Kotlin code for use in jvm, ios/ipados/macos, android, wasm/js, and native.

bluegatty 3 days ago | parent [-]

Technically yes, but I don't think it could exist without Java.

vips7L 2 days ago | parent [-]

You can't even read a file in Kotlin without Java.

bluegatty 21 hours ago | parent [-]

thats pretty much what I mean, yes.