| ▲ | Protostome 2 days ago |
| Gaza and Lebanon were not part of the cease fire agreement. Besides, After the first round of hostilities the ceasefire agreement reached between Israel and Lebanon included the disarmament of Hezbullah, and sending the Lebanese army to take the south under control. None of which was done, so Israel had to do it by itself |
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| ▲ | cassianoleal 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > With the greatest humility, I am pleased to announce that the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America, along with their allies, have agreed to an immediate ceasefire everywhere including Lebanon and elsewhere, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. PM of Pakistan announced without a doubt after the agreement that Lebanon "and elsewhere" were included. "Western" media seemed to gloss over this "small detail". https://www.livemint.com/news/world/pakistan-pm-shehbaz-shar... https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/4/8/how-pakistan-man... |
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| ▲ | FunnyUsername 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Israel hadn't agreed to anything yet though. There was apparently some confusion in the Pakistani mediation. Vance called it a "legitimate misunderstanding". | | |
| ▲ | queenkjuul 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Right, because Vance is a liar, happily lying on behalf of his boss | | |
| ▲ | Protostome 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Maybe, doing the actual negotiations, not just reporting on it from a known position |
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| ▲ | Protostome 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | 4a5Askl 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The Qatari owned Al Jazeera is not particularly pro Iran right now. Qatar is Iran's enemy. The Pakistani Prime Minister's statement is literally on Twitter: https://xcancel.com/CMShehbaz/status/2041665043423752651 | |
| ▲ | ndiddy 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Vance said the cease fire doesn't include Lebanon, in his own voice CBS has reported that the US originally agreed that the ceasefire included Lebanon but changed its position following a phone call between Trump and Netanyahu. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lebanon-israel-ceasefire-talks-... The New York Times has reported that the US had already seen and signed off on the text in Pakistani Prime Minister Sharif's statement regarding the ceasefire prior to him posting it. https://archive.ph/dH97R If the best analysis you're able to come up with is "Al-Jazeera said one thing and Vance said another, so clearly Vance's statement must be accurate" and not doing any further investigation yourself, I honestly feel bad for you. | | |
| ▲ | queenkjuul 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Well you see Al Jazeera is a scary Islamist sounding name, so clearly they are only capable of lying GP literally believes Arabs can't tell the truth |
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| ▲ | cassianoleal 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | LOL JD Vance is your news source? Pakistani PM is the actual source as a sibling comment made clear. | | | |
| ▲ | hyperman1 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Who would you consider reliable news sources for this war? Honest question. AFAIK The USA governement has proven unreliable, even more so than Iran. USA news sources are owned by the same oligarchs owning the governement. Other western sources follow the USA train of thought, with more or less doubt thrown in. Mint from India and Al Jazeera from Qatar (not happy with Iran right now) seem closest to neutral of the pack, even if not that great. I am not aware of a reliable Israeli news source. The ACOUP article was one of the best analysis of this war I've seen, which is pretty damning for the real news sources if you think about it. | | |
| ▲ | FunnyUsername 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > I am not aware of a reliable Israeli news source. If you consider Al Jazeera a reliable source, then we'll probably disagree on this. But I would say Ynet, Times of Israel, and Jerusalem Post and reliable, just to name some of the big ones with lots of English content online. Or Haaretz for a more anti-government-leaning (but still broadly reliable) publication. | | |
| ▲ | hyperman1 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think there is any reliable source in this war, so the best thing to do is try to read from all sides. I'll take a look at them. Thanks. | |
| ▲ | bigyabai a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | All of those are still ultimately subject to the IDF's military censor, and are not free outlets as such. |
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| ▲ | queenkjuul 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You trust the trump administration over Al Jazeera? Seriously? Get your head checked | | |
| ▲ | Protostome 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Well, I didn't see anyone from Israel agreeing to a cease fire with Lebanon. did you? | | |
| ▲ | queenkjuul 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I've never seen Israel respect a ceasefire, but this isn't my point: the Trump administration has been caught lying literally thousands of times, you genuinely believe they're more trustworthy than Al Jazeera? Because if you genuinely do, your brain is straight up broken |
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| ▲ | 4gotunameagain 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Like you I do not have a direct line with the diplomats of the involved countries, but every major news outlet was including Lebanon in the agreement. What Israel is doing by itself is occupying more land and vilifying the concept of humanity, not "taking the south under control". Let me remind you that Hezbollah has founded as a direct reply to the '82 invasion of Lebanon by Israel. The whole source of pain, misery and instability in the region is the colony of Israel, that was place there by the brits. |
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| ▲ | FunnyUsername 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > every major news outlet was including Lebanon in the agreement Israel never said anything about having accepted an agreement, and in fact stated the opposite. The Pakistani mediator can't just declare Israel part of an agreement without its, well, agreement. > Hezbollah has founded as a direct reply to the '82 invasion of Lebanon by Israel Which was a rather necessary response to the PLO attacking Israel from Lebanon. Or what would you have expected Israel to do instead? | |
| ▲ | Protostome 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | Hikikomori 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Hezbollah attacks generally come after Israel does something. | |
| ▲ | 4gotunameagain 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why would anyone in their right mind next to Israel disarm ? So they can have their land occupied by ultra orthodox jew nazis ? And on the contrary, the major news outlets are infested by israeli propaganda. Letting israel exist ? Does israel leave Gaza exist ? Or the west bank ? Or Syria, or Lebanon ? Or any of those people that have been living there for thousands of years, not just 80 ? | | |
| ▲ | Protostome 2 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | phs318u 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > If all parties decide to lay down their weapons there would be peace tomorrow. Which is why there will never be peace - tomorrow or any other day - because Israel wants everyone else to disarm, excluding themselves. How else are they going to keep expanding their settlements and keep the Palestinians in increasingly fragmented and shrinking bantustans? | | |
| ▲ | Protostome 2 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | 4gotunameagain 2 days ago | parent [-] | | And the neighbouring states want the terrorist state of Israel to disarm and stop expanding and occupying territories. Why is Israel not doing that, if they want peace so much ? | | |
| ▲ | Protostome 2 days ago | parent [-] | | There's nothing Israelis want more than give up their military. but when countries like Iran vow to "wipe israel off the map" and Hamas states in its covenant to annhilate all jews, what sane country would give up its army? Second, Israel does not expand. On the contrary - Israel returned the Sinai Desert which is a territory x3 times its size back to Egypt for peace. | | |
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