| ▲ | ab_testing 4 hours ago |
| Very funny to see HN hate on Microsoft and Google but then love a company where they cannot even run an app on their mobile platform without Apple's permission or only a certain number of VMs on the hardware they own . |
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| ▲ | monocularvision 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Someday I may be able to retire this link, but today is not that day: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy |
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| ▲ | matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| HN is not one person. I'm very happy to hate on all of them. I see what you mean though. I've given up on getting normal people to care, but seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting. |
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| ▲ | AussieWog93 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >seeing programmers who are absolutely smart enough to run their own Linux system on computers they actually own actively choose not to do so is very disconcerting. I run macOS because Apple understands that QA testing is something of actual importance, and designing yet another package manager is not. I do spin up Linux every now and again to see if it's good yet, and always walk away. Why do documents print at ~50dpi on my network printer? Why does the system simply not wake up ~20% of the time when I open my laptop's lid? Why do I have to unplug and reconnect my USB WiFi Dongle every hour or so when the internet randomly drops out? Why does the system stop recognising my USB SD Card reader occasionally, forcing me to hard reboot the system? Why is the audio distorted over HDMI when I enable HDR? Why does Kodi only detect a refresh rate of 30Hz when the system itself has no issues seeing that the monitor is 60Hz? All of these are real problems that real users have had, but instead of solving them the Linux development community instead chooses to devote their time and resources navel gazing about systemd alternatives or creating a fragile AUR package for software that already has a sensible and officially supported distribution method. | | |
| ▲ | array_key_first an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | All operating systems have bugs, and Apple doesn't have the QA it used to have. MacOS has basically been exclusively trending down in quality for a while now, while Linux continues to get better. What you have to realize is that what Linux distros are doing is inherently more complicated. They're making a general purpose operating system intended to run on every computer. Apple is making one operating system intended to run on maybe 0.1% of devices. Oh, and they also make those devices. And MacOS is still trending down in quality, somehow. | | |
| ▲ | AussieWog93 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You're not wrong about the downwards trend in quality but we're still a long ways off from macOS or even Windows having the same level of QA issues that Linux does, on a regular desktop system. |
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| ▲ | matheusmoreira 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | TL;DR you sacrificed your freedom for convenience, you think quality assurance is worth being at Apple's mercy, you signed away the keys to "your" machine so they can "manage" it for you along with the rest of your life. Meanwhile I'm running about a dozen of development virtual machines right now. I'm limited only by the amount of RAM my computer has. It never even occurred to me that some gigacorporation out there would have thought to limit the VMs their own users can spawn. Every day, they reach a new low. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | On the other hand I’m very conveniently enjoying my experience, I don’t have to waste time screwing with stuff I have no interest in screwing with - like the OP’s examples, and if I want to run Linux I’ll just install it and do what I want or rent out some compute time somewhere. Besides, you can buy a Mac and do whatever you want and go buy a bunch of off the shelf components to do whatever hobby stuff you want to do too. Freedom, perhaps, starts with not making up and applying limitations on yourself. | | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Freedom, perhaps, starts with not making up and applying limitations on yourself. Nothing wrong with applying limitations to oneself. That's discipline, principles. It's important stuff. The real problem is accepting the completely made up limitations that others apply on you. Corporation wakes up one day and just decides people can't run more than two virtual machines? That's stupid. Actually defending this with "but convenience" arguments as if convenience was supposed to override freedom? No. Freedom isn't something you actively work towards. It's something you start with. It's the status quo. Others take it away from you. You can either accept it passively and enjoy the "convenience", or you can resist and go down the harder path. It's very disappointing to see people on Hacker News choose the former path. |
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| ▲ | commandersaki an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The VM limitation is only for macOS guests, otherwise I can spin up as many VMs as I like, which is no different to doing so in Linux (since it cannot run macOS VMs). | |
| ▲ | AussieWog93 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >TL;DR you sacrificed your freedom for convenience Yes I did, just like you did when you chose to live as a taxpaying member of society rather than a hermit scouring the bush for berries and fish. Enjoy your VMs. | | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent [-] | | Living as a taxpaying member of society is something that is imposed on us. If we refuse, violent men with guns show up at our doors to arrest us and seize our property. At least we get to try and vote out idiots imposing stupid quotas on the population. The issue of computer freedom does not even come close to this. None of this is imposed on us. We have the power to choose differently at any time. We can choose not to accept the monopolistic corporation's terms. |
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| ▲ | senderista 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I use a Macbook for work and do all my development via ssh on remote Linux instances. Each OS is doing what it does best. I last tried a Linux laptop for development in 2020 and my conclusion was the same as in 2010: never again for at least a decade. I have better things to do than fix broken drivers and curse at shitty trackpads. | | |
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| ▲ | tomhow 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Please avoid these kinds of sneers that characterize the whole community as being united in “hate” or “love” for any particular company or technology. HN is a diverse global community and its views about most topics form a normal distribution, and most people here are able to form nuanced opinions that consider the positives and negatives in all these topics. This kind of “very funny” swipe relies on a caricature that's easy to portray if you focus on the loudest voices on one side of any discussion but falls away if you make the effort to read the discussions in depth. |
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| ▲ | dghlsakjg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Since when are users in this place shy about bashing Apple? Plenty of hate out there of apple alongside the love. |
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| ▲ | Barbing 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the very same comments sometimes, those frustrating geniuses | | |
| ▲ | RealityVoid 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Adults can hold 2 thoughts in their head at their same time. | | |
| ▲ | skygazer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Paraphrasing F. Scott Fitzgerald? "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." Holding contradictory ideas isn't the laudable skill. Any uncritical person can believe conflicting things without being troubled by them. The genius is holding such ideas in disbelief long enough to let evidence alter or evict them. |
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| ▲ | neal_jones 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Inside of me are two wolves. One that’s like “F Apple” and another that is like “Are they going to do an M5 ultra or…?” | | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | We can appreciate their hardware achievements and at the same time condemn them for their monopolistic anti-user decisions. |
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| ▲ | hparadiz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What love? I think this is bullshit. |
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