| ▲ | slibhb 2 hours ago |
| Performative anti-Americanism has become one of the major features of European culture (and especially French culture). |
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| ▲ | bertil a minute ago | parent | next [-] |
| Some big moneyed interests are trying to split Europe and the US. The current US administration is definitely not helping, but every ad I see on the Reddit main feed is a blatant attack on the relation, from brand new subreddits, pointing at magazines I’ve never heard about before. I’ve been reporting them, but it keeps coming, from constantly different sources, different names, subreddits, but always the same vague but incredible incredibly provocative titles I suspect that some social-media-addled senior US officials are being fed the same crap because their reactions to non-existent European reaction are not grounded in reality. |
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| ▲ | x3ro 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What's performative about not wanting to go down with a sinking ship? Or are you under the illusion that the U.S. is doing particularly well right now? It appears that the "we have the bigger stick" strategy is finally meeting some resistance, and I am happy to see it. |
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| ▲ | YZF 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Well said on the site of Y-Combinator. A US company ran by Americans that mostly funds startups in the US. Clearly the US, the home of Apple, nVidia, Anthropic, Open AI, SpaceX, Google, Meta, Amazon, Tesla etc. is sinking while the EU the home of (? ... well, there is ASML) is going to be running the world. Linus works on Linux from ... Portland, Oregon. And oh, look at where Linux contributions are coming from: https://insights.linuxfoundation.org/project/korg/contributo... EU's GDP is so catching up with the US: https://econofact.org/factbrief/fact-check-has-the-economic-... NOT | |
| ▲ | stephen_g 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean it’s not just that, the current administration have destroyed a bunch of the US’s oldest and most important alliances… I’m not in Europe but in another allied country, the feeling amongst people here is that the US is not able to be trusted as a partner anymore. And with ways the Government can apply pressure to US companies (CLOUD Act etc.) that extends to IS companies too. | | |
| ▲ | YZF 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Curious where you are. I am in Canada and it's certainly mixed feelings but I think there are plenty of Canadians that understand that despite the current craziness we're in this together for the long term. Similarly in the US there are plenty that understand this. In relation to Europe vs. the US. Even before the current administration Europe has been at odds with American companies:
"The European Union Renews Its Offensive Against US Technology Firms" (2022) - https://www.piie.com/sites/default/files/documents/pb22-2.pd... The framing that this started now with the current administration is not correct. The current administration certainly heated things up so to speak and brought things to the surface but the tension has been there for a long while. Europe is not capable of competing with US tech in general for various structural reasons. Europeans tend to argue this is because of US power but we see countries like China and India succeeding where Europe fails. The more interesting question is whether there is a large enough lasting change in the US that takes away its structural advantages. I don't think this is the case. If you look at AI the hub of world economic activity and innovation is still in the US including startups and incumbents. s/AI/anything/ . China is certainly trying, and arguably succeeding, in taking some of that but it's still not at the same level. Europe is not even a player. | |
| ▲ | coliveira an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not the current administration that started this process. The US has for decades gone against the Europeans, step after step, asserting policies that only favor US companies. In the past however, the US administrations sugarcoated this fact with the language of cooperation. The current US government is now laying bare the fact that they're creating a political system where all technology and resources are controlled by the US and their "allies" are mere observers that should not do anything about it. |
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| ▲ | slibhb 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | France deciding, in principle, to come up with a plan for not using Microsoft is performative. It stops being performative when they actually do it. At any rate, is there a good reason for France to stop using Microsoft? I'm doubtful. It's a bit like the DoD declaring Anthropic a "supply chain risk"; basically performative. To respond to the rest of your post: while the Trump administration's behavior has diminished US standing in the world, the US is doing well compared to Europe in many important dimensions (e.g. economic growth). Also, far-right parties in Europe seem much more dangerous than the right in the US. But all of that is a side show. European skepticism of the US has its roots in the postwar era. It's fundamentally about resentment. Europe is geopolitically weak and depends on the US for defense which is galling, especially for France with its history as a global power. | | |
| ▲ | bigfudge an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > European skepticism of the US has its roots in the postwar era. This is crazy. The Europeans fell hook line and sinker for the line that the US could be trusted to manage security for Europe and would always be a dependable ally. That suited everyone — Europe because we could focus spending on post war reconstruction, and the US because you made a shit tonne of money by being the world's arms dealer and policeman. There was no resentment of the US. Europe was in love with US culture (weird French cinema rules aside). And especially Eastern Europe... who have now had the hardest of all disillusionments. This administration has destroyed the goodwill and trust built up over 80 years, and the economic foundation which made you rich and powerful. Let's check back in 30 years and see if that was a good idea. I'm hopeful that French nukes and Ukrainian ingenuity (and MAGA incompetence) will see us through the next 10-15 years of transition as re right the past mistake of trusting the US. | |
| ▲ | vrganj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You must live in a different reality from me. The EU has closed trade deals with India and Mercosur this year alone, recentering the global economy around itself. Meanwhile, the resentment seems to radiate from the White House as they increasingly realize how their moves are making them irrelevant on the global stage. We're not upset. We just don't think you matter anymore. | | | |
| ▲ | dopidopHN2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Defense against who ? Russia ? Or the US ? |
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| ▲ | vrganj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As a European, the Anti-Americanism is not performative. It's a deep disconnect in values, brought to the forefront by the current administration and the oligarchs running wild. America used to be seen as an example, the big brother watching out for us. Now it's a cautionary tale of greed, hubris and societal decay, as well as an increasingly antagonistic actor of global instability. Y'all ruined your reputation and the fact you're trying to pin that on us is just another example of said hubris. Until you at least own up to it, there's no viable path to recovery. |
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| ▲ | slibhb an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's mostly performative, and posts like this prove the point. | | |
| ▲ | vrganj an hour ago | parent [-] | | Meanwhile, I believe your post proves my point. Funny how perspective works, isn't it? It feels like the last tantrum of a dying empire from our vantage point. Sad, but ultimately irrelevant. | | |
| ▲ | slibhb an hour ago | parent [-] | | I see one person having a tantrum in this thread (and it's not me). | | |
| ▲ | maest 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | "Tantrum" is a choice word. | |
| ▲ | monkey_monkey 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does feel like it's you though. | |
| ▲ | vrganj an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yet again, you are vocalizing my exact thoughts. Feels like the disconnect I described is real, doesn't it? Might not be performative after all then... |
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| ▲ | dopidopHN2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Its moving the needle. There is a lot to be done but its moving |
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| ▲ | bigfudge an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The French are just (wonderfully) arrogant enough to say what everyone else is thinking. The UK will likely be too spineless to actually follow through, but the Germans and Eastern Europeans are not going to tolerate the level of exposure we all have to US craziness any longer. |
