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ArtTimeInvestor 6 hours ago

It is a step into the right direction.

Over time, more and more work is going to be done by AI though. At some point, it will be unthinkably slow and expensive to let humans work on anything.

To do *that* locally, you need GPUs and LLMs.

How will Europe solve these two?

Joeri 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The EU chips act is subsidizing new fab construction in Europe.

Meanwhile the french Mistral is partnering with Nvidia to build an AI data center near Paris on which their LLMs will run.

But I agree this is not enough to make the EU a contender in the race with the US and China. The EU still has not seriously considered decoupling from American big tech.

arter45 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not all AI uses LLM, and for some common LLM applications like summarization and translation you can already use CPU only models. The government, or even your average employer, is not going to need a lot of AI video generation or other really GPU intensive tasks. Prompt processing is currently more GPU oriented, but I don't see it as an impossible challenge given, say, 10-15 years.

Also, CPU-only doesn't necessarily mean "on your own computer". You can easily have 100 TB RAM in a couple of racks.

tonyedgecombe 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you people have to squeeze a comment about AI into every post?

m_mueller 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it depends on how strong the compression advancements are going to be, such that much can be done locally in the future. I'd be interested in experiences of others here in using Gemma4, which is at the forefront of "intelligence per gigabyte" atm. (according to benches).

ErroneousBosh 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No-one needs LLMs.

AI has no value.

corndoge 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At this point in the broader dialogue your position is roughly as interesting as flat earth. Only bored people are going to bother replying and no one is taking you seriously. Don't do yourself a disservice by clinging to this.

ErroneousBosh 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Okay, give me one example of what AI might be useful for.

Mashimo 5 hours ago | parent [-]

As a learning tool to quiz you.

ErroneousBosh 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Okay, and what value would that provide?

I'm not interested in games.

Mashimo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The value is that you can have an effective tool to learn something new. I'm not quite sure I understand your question.

ErroneousBosh 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Okay, I don't think it would be all that effective and I don't see how it could be.

I learn things by doing them, not by playing guessing games.

Mashimo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That's fine. We all learn different. But it's still effective for other people :) So it's useful for them.

samrus 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think your wasting your time arguing with him bro

Mashimo an hour ago | parent [-]

Oh I know :)

samrus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Im skeptical of the AGI claims but this is a bit too far in the toher direction. I use it to turn designs to code all the time

swiftcoder an hour ago | parent [-]

> I use it to turn designs to code all the time

A human can however do the same job. Turning designs into code isn't a fundamentally new capability unlocked by GenAI, it's just a shuffling of costs from employing humans -> renting GPUs

7bit 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The chariot was superior! Who needs them darn cars

nickserv 5 hours ago | parent [-]

My grandpa was doing just fine before those newfangled chariots became all the rage. What's wrong with walking?

tosti 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I, for one, have never needed AI for anything ever in my life.

AI has, however, made my life noticably worse. Especially when dealing with braindead robot driven customer "support". But also in making it financially impossible to buy more RAM or upgrade a GPU.

I think we'd be better off without yet another bubble.

Nasrudith 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Were you born yesterday? Phone AIs being dumb didn't take LLMs at all. They were always stupid and frustrating to deal with substitutes for customer support.