| ▲ | kstrauser 4 hours ago |
| I can imagine scenarios where decent people in tough environments might be compelled to join a gang, rob, or even murder. That doesn’t make it ok, but it makes it at least understandable. I’m unable to imagine a reason why decent people might be compelled to rape children, let alone serially. |
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| ▲ | defrost 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Well, if it gets normalised during childhood, then it frequently occurs during teen years and adulthood. You can see some discussion of that in the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse (2017) * https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/final-report There is the position, of course, that a sexually abused child that reaches teen years or adulthood is no longer a "decent person" .. which is an interesting transition to dwell on. |
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| ▲ | kstrauser 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That makes it more understandable, but he lost a trial that said he was raping a child when he was 38 years old. Someone abused as a child who does sketchy things in their early 20s is tragic. Someone doing the same when they’re nearly 40 is a whole lot harder to dismiss. Like, you don’t make it to that age without hearing a lot of people along the way saying not to rape children. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh, please, don't think I'm making any excuses here .. but I was around and about the evidence management side of a five deep dive into institutional childhood abuse ... the various things that went down tend to explain a lot of early following behaviour once some kind of distance from early abuse is made. You're right to flag ongoing and persistent shitty behaviour as unacceptable - even assigning blame there gets problematic as there absolutely is an element of "would they be less bad had they had more support on escape", but you can't be giving a pass forever. Bloody Trolley problems .. this is one of several areas with no good choices, no easy solutions. | |
| ▲ | chiefalchemist 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If only human behavior was that simple. The DSM-5 is filled with diseases of the mind. Choice often isn’t as cut and dry as we would like to believe. No one wakes up and thinks “I want to suffer today of _____.” [1] AndI want others to suffer along with me. That said, perhaps the universe is binary? Perhaps evil, pure evil does exist? Perhaps there’s no to stopping evil than “just say no”? It’s hard to say. [1] Insert mental, physical a/o spiritual illness here. |
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| ▲ | 47282847 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is also the theory that it serves as a reenactment of one’s own abuse. Trying to find peace and return to safety by replaying the scene, this time not as helpless victim but perpetrator: in control. Victims of sexual abuse thus often are haunted by “fantasies” of abuse but avoiding the victim position; the trap is to identify with the fantasies. All too often, they’ve been told it is their fault, they wanted it etc, so the imagined replay “proves the original perpetrator right”. The only way to break the circle seems to be to fully go into the fantasy and process the victim position, with support of a well-meaning presence (typically a therapist but in another reality it could be friends or family). |
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| ▲ | lynx97 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > decent people in tough environments ... murder You find an excuse for MURDER? You are definitely not a decent person. |
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