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Eufrat 6 hours ago

Money is not given to good ideas (though, it doesn’t hurt). Money is given to friends. If you look at how VC (or really any network) funding circulates, it’s just people who are allowed to enter that circle and money just flows between them constantly. On one hand, you have trusted people who you are willing to give money, on the other hand, this inherently creates a clique.

It reminds me how the Bohemian Club’s slogan, “Weaving Spiders Come Not Here” is a bit farcical given that it is impossible for the club members not to engage in commerce.

tencentshill 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It hasn't been organically popular here[0] among people who would be forced to actually use it, so they have to build hype from investors instead.

[0] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=gitbutler

mbesto an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The founder of GitButler is the co-founder of GitHub. It doesn't matter what he builds, the VC is going to throw money at them.

robbbbbbbbbbbb 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Money is given to friends."

While that's completely true, I do think it misses a key underlying point: VCs (and many breeds of investor) are not ultimately selecting for value creating ideas, or for their friends: they're selecting for investments they believe _other people_ will pay more for later.

In the case of startups, those people are most likely other VCs (at later rounds), private equity (at private sale) or retail investors (at IPO).

Very rarely is the actual company profitable at any of those stages, demonstrably and famously.

So the whole process is selecting for hype-potential, which itself is somewhat correlated to the usual things people get annoyed about with startup cliches: founders who went to MIT; founders who are charismatic; founders who are friends with VCs; etc...

So yeah, they invest in their friends, but not because they're their friends. Because they know they can more reliably exit those investments at a higher value.

ghywertelling an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> money just flows between them constantly

This is also true for how HFT guys make money. It's not that they are very good in investments. The Fed injects money constantly from the top which gets distributed or trickle down to such firms. Because in a tight economy which is not akin to gambling, it should be near to impossible to make money so easily.

staticassertion 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sure VCs give money to friends but I didn't know any investors when I raised millions. They invested money because they thought it was a good idea.

kakwa_ 2 hours ago | parent [-]

More like an idea decently likely to be resold for more.

Good ideas are a decent subset, but you could also have a bit of "Greater Fool Theory" compliant ideas.

staticassertion an hour ago | parent [-]

Sure, but that doesn't really change anything. The poster plainly states:

> Money is not given to good ideas (though, it doesn’t hurt). Money is given to friends.

I have an obvious counter example. I'm sure money is invested for all sorts of reasons to all sorts of people. I'm also sure that money is not exclusively invested based on friendships, and I'm quite sure that money is at times invested based on the merits of an idea. Obviously those merits have to correspond to the ability to form the basis of a successful company, unless it's a philanthropic investment.

api 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The reason “ideas don’t get funding” is usually (but not always) true is that usually a good idea alone doesn’t mean much. So usually you have to have good idea plus something else the investor feels is a proof point or evidence you can execute.

The clearest of these is that you have already built it, or an MVP of it that is more than just smoke and mirrors, and there’s users and customers.

If you have excellent proof points and actual revenue growth, you could show up with no pants smelling like weed and somebody might fund you. Then they’d call their press people to do an “eccentric genius founder” piece about the person who showed up stoned with no pants and their pitch was that good. That’s cause if your graph goes up and to the right you’re not crazy, you’re “eccentric.”

If you don’t have any proof they fall back on secondary evidence, like credentials and schools and vibes. The latter, yes, often overlaps with cronies.

And unfortunately that by necessity includes most ideas that cost a lot to prototype, which means credentialism and croneyism tends to gate keep fields with a high cost of entry.

uffr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ideas shouldn’t get funding - ideas are just mere results of thought that haven’t been played through in depth.

Do you need a working product to get funding? No. But you do need a compelling investment thesis - which takes months and even years of deep thought to come to fruition. Of course you can shortcut this process by smooching but only a select few can pull that off.

rowanG077 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think describing them as friends is entirely correct. People give money to people they trust. And friends often are in that subset of people. But that's not a strict requirement.

cmrdporcupine 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

They trust people who look and smell like them or the people they golf or drink with or are part of the same fraternity or tennis club.

rowanG077 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm not sure what your point is. Of course people who the see and can observe on a daily basis and see in the flesh whether they are trustworthy are actually they people they find trustworthy. The sure as hell don't think some random person who has no credibility is trustworthy.

cmrdporcupine 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

The point is the definition of trust is flawed if what you're trying to measure is technical impact and quality?

echelon 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Money is given to friends.

Money is given to ideas that might become billion dollar businesses and teams that look like they can do it. Pedigree, domain expertise, previous exits.

nikitau 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That works under the assumption of the "wisdom of the markets", and we assume VC possesses that wisdom, but laid bare it's just as vulnerable to cronyism as any other institution.

UqWBcuFx6NV4r 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, OK. There’s a lot hidden in that word, “pedigree”.

echelon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If you're being handed millions of dollars in early venture capital and don't have revenue/pmf to show, they're going to want to see a top university, FAANG, relevant industry experience, etc. How else would they underwrite the risk?

Team matters. What other proxies are there?

imp0cat 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So it will be exactly like git, but with a monthly subscription fee.

abc123abc123 5 hours ago | parent [-]

And AI... always add AI!

mcdeltat 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Upon every commit, AI will review your code to check if it's worth committing or not (after all, disk space is expensive these days!). If the AI finds the code is not up to scratch, it will be reverted and you'll be given a chance to try again.

Then, we will develop (read: sell) AI agents that will ingest a proposed code change (created by your front-line agent), and iteratively refactor it until the commit agent accepts it.

EliRivers 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If the AI finds the code is not up to scratch, it will be reverted and you'll be given a chance to try again.

That's the Platinum Premier tier. If you're on the regular tier, paying the minimum, the AI will silently fix all that right up for you.

baobun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Should have known better than asking the monkey paw for more decentralized compute.

jordand 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And regular subscription price increases. They never forget those!

yread 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

or at least should be

abc123abc123 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is the way!