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piker 4 hours ago

Such a law illustrates the beauty of federalism. Texas and other states can have them if they want them! Maine has not nearly as much space and much more natural beauty to protect [per square mile], so it can and maybe should have a different set of rules. That's cool.

pj_mukh an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is a recipe for creating dead retiree states. Just NIMBY everything, NIMBY the power sources[1] [2], then complain about a lack of power so NIMBY any type of new industrial <anything>.

Now do this for housing, new sources of water anything a person younger than 40 would need and you basically get a state full of retirees..and oh would you look at that! [3].

Now the question is, why wouldn't all states eventually do this with the way our population pyramid is looking? It's basically rabid conservation and tragedy of the commons writ large.

[1]: https://www.mainepublic.org/politics/2025-04-08/bill-removin...

[2]: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/maine-voters-reject-q...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

culi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's the opposite of NIMBY. It's smart thoughtful policy and it is NOT a simple ban. Nobody bothers to read passed the title but the main piece of this legislation is the creation of the Maine Data Center Coordination Council.

Alongside it is a temporary (until Nov 2027) moratorium on data centers over 20 megawatts. This seems to be in place so they could establish a proper legal and environmental framework for building out data centers in the future.

This is exactly the kind of approach to legislation we should all hope our local representatives are competent enough to do.

pj_mukh an hour ago | parent [-]

Appointing a council of elders who will think through every imagined horror before approving a project (or a “framework”) is basically the textbook definition of NIMBY-ism.

Every NIMBY thinks they’re being optimally thoughtful (tm), except the answer is always the same, two years of environment studies, followed by a loud resounding “No”.

Why would they approve anything? They have no incentive to.

culi an hour ago | parent [-]

Do you think the EPA is "a council of elders"?

C'mon. Be reasonable for a second. Or at the very least actually read past the title before commenting.

This is actively seeking to reduce NIMBYism

> As part of the moratorium, Maine’s Data Center Coordination Council would study and oversee the environmental impact and electricity bill increases datacenters often bring to local residents and “consider data-sharing requirements and processes for proposed datacenters.”

https://www.404media.co/maine-datacenter-construction-bill-l...

I think you're much more likely to see actual populist NIMBYism if this bill was not passed

DANmode 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> This is a recipe for creating dead retiree states.

Good news: lots of choice.

eudamoniac 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is your argument that we should ignore the will of the people? Because this is what the people of Maine want. Why exactly should Maine be forced to have data centers in it when its citizens don't want that?

nmbrskeptix an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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seniorThrowaway 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't know why people think Texas doesn't have natural beauty. It's a huge state.

bsimpson 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm from Nevada, another state that people presume is all desert. (Really, it's all mountains.)

The only part of Texas I've driven is between Austin and S Antonio. It was perhaps the least-beautiful wilderness I've driven through. It really did just feel like desert and billboards - like if Walmart was a highway.

But I also presume Texas marketing itself as a less-regulated alternative (e.g. to California) is why it's easy to imagine Texas wanting infrastructure that Maine might not.

blululu an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Nevada is a gem. Way too dry but incredibly beautiful with some truly unique features (ancient trees, hot springs, strange minerals, clear dark night skies). Eastern/central Texas is far less interesting.

lizknope 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most people never bother to look at a map.

It takes 2 seconds to look at google satellite view of the area and see lots of desert with strips of green

https://maps.app.goo.gl/R8HuWBi66548Jq5BA

Of course you already know this but for everyone else it is called the Basin and Range province. You have desert areas and then a mountain range with much higher elevation with cooler temperatures and more precipitation which means trees and forests and green in color

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basin_and_Range_Province

leptons 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

> and green in color

Okay, we'll give Nevada a participation award for "green in color". Maine wins the "green in color" category by a lot. It's orders of magnitude greener.

"Green" isn't everything though. Nevada has a lot of brown going for it!

Oh, Maine also has a tidal coastline of 3478 miles, but Nevada is landlocked. Nevada does have a couple of big lakes though.

sidewndr46 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, you drove through part of the Texas Triangle. Not really an area I would go to for sights

taormina 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Between Austin and San Antonio is so developed that it's considered by many to be a single "metro" area, DFW-style. There's very little not developed directly between the two.

JuniperMesos 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I drove that way in 2024 for the solar eclipse. Some parts of that route struck me as a bit exurb-ish and spread-out, I wouldn't call it a single metro area, but there were definitely people living there. And it was way too green to be called a desert; I've driven through actual deserts in southern CA and nowhere that I saw in that part of Texas was anywhere near that dry (I guess you have to go further west to get to actual Texas desert, which we didn't do on that trip).

CuriouslyC an hour ago | parent [-]

The deserts around El Paso are still quite a bit more alive than the ugliest desert I've ever seen (the stretch between Phoenix and San Diego gets that dubious honor).

seandhi 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah yes, the vast, undeveloped wilderness of I-35 between Austin and San Antonio. Totally just unoccupied desert.

AshleyGrant 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Folks have been conditioned to consider the deserts of West Texas, especially the Permian Basin, to be wastelands with no redeeming value.

Personally, while it isn't my favorite landscape or even my favorite desert landscape, I still think it is a landscape with intrinsic value and beauty.

ZeWaka 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Same with swamps and wetlands.

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piker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, sorry that wasn't intended as a slight to Texas. Texas just does have a lot of barren landscape where datacenters wouldn't offend as much. I modified it to make that clear. Also, energy is playing a role here.

bastardoperator 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've been watching a series on YT that is specifically about rural towns in Texas that are being abandoned or on the brink of total collapse. Much of it has to do with highways and routing around these communities decades ago. I don't know if a datacenter is the answer, but it has to be better then what looks like a post apocalyptic America.

bombcar 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Reviving Radiator Springs with a datacenter! The plot of Cars 4.

Those small towns are often positioned such that even if you plopped a billion dollar datacenter on top of them, it wouldn't change much, as even with second and third order effects it's adding 100-200 total population.

ryandrake 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is that really the primary concern about datacenters? Their aesthetics? I thought the major problem with them was that they muscle in on valuable resources like water and electricity, consuming what would otherwise be used by people, and driving the prices up.

jandrewrogers 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Data centers use a lot of electricity but negligible water.

nemomarx 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Taking up land is one of the resources they use - consider cutting down trees to clear space for a large one, or the habitats that might have been in that space. That's not really an aesthetic thing.

CuriouslyC an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've driven through all of Texas twice, and had to spend time in Austin and Houston for work, but never had to live there, so I'd like to think I'm informed without being biased.

Besides the heavily oak covered hill country west of Austin it's pretty much the ugliest landscape in the country. I will admit the west Texas desert is less ugly than the desert of southern Arizona/eastern California, but north/east Texas is the flattest, least interesting part of the Mississippi basin (Nebraska/Kansas/Oklahoma are similarly meh but you don't have the insane humidity).

DANmode 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What beautiful part do you live in?

or…have you never been?

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creddit 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because it's Republican, obviously.

asadm 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

yes but they likely won't build datacenters by destroying national parks would they?

mancerayder 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't it cheaper to cool a datacenter in a more temperate/cool region than one that has a 9-month-long summer?

Why would anyone want to go to Texas to build a datacenter and worry about the cooling, when they could pick any other state?

OkayPhysicist 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Because the other big expense in a datacenter: electricity. Texas has really cheap electricity compared to the rest of the country, sitting at second cheapest after North Dakota.

stogot 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Long summers = tx actually has lots more Solar, but also biz friendly laws, biz friendly taxes, lots of corp HQ, cheap land, own power grid (for better or worse), cost of labor, etc.

adamsb6 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maine banning datacenter construction is is a bit like Texas banning lobster fishing.

alex43578 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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culi 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And abolishing ICE! Why should states be forced to host armies they don't agree with?

tt24 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Strange that suddenly they don’t seem to like this concept so much anymore :)

“I support the right of $state to ban $thing”

Wait, not like that!

culi an hour ago | parent [-]

States don't have "rights", people do. I don't support any state's power to take away any human's rights. And bootlickers who do shouldn't have the chance to act out their fascistic fantasies

Acrobatic_Road 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They sure have a right to enact policies that keep them economically & demographically irrelevant.

https://cdn.xcancel.com/pic/orig/638FA4CD35438/media%2FF5jNt...

stogot 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Interesting that there’s sort of a blue line right down the middle. Wonder why

bdangubic 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Data Centers would have made them sooooooo rich, very silly policies indeed, they’d be swimming in money

harimau777 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm? On the chance that it isn't, how would that make them rich? The profit from the data centers goes to the owner not to the people in the community or rest of the state.

Acrobatic_Road 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There's this thing called taxes...

alphager an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That are paid (if not avoided) at the location of the owner, not the location of the dc.

Datacenters really aren't that good for the locals. Low property tax, just tens of jobs but very high infrastructure needs.

bdangubic an hour ago | parent [-]

I live in Northern VA, the world capital of data centers and can co-sign this. they bring absolutely nothing other than our electric bills have literally doubled in the last 24 or so months

jmalicki an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There aren't taxes on datacenters in Texas. They gain virtually nothing from them!

https://www.texastribune.org/2026/04/08/texas-data-centers-s...

Acrobatic_Road 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's emblematic of Maine's wider anti-business and anti-growth climate which may explain why the state now has the highest median age in the US and one of the lowest fertility rates of any state.