You wish to lead with "dumb shit" in framing why people have a problem with Elon Musk? Why not lead with the Nazi salute at the presidential podium? That would more quickly get to the point.

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slibhb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nazi salutes are protected speech and not "beyond politics". Yes it's disgraceful, and it's reasonable to leave his platform. But it qualifies as "dumb shit".

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cortesoft 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think the point is to distinguish ‘political opinions that I am comfortable disagreeing with people about, and can still be friendly with people who strongly disagree with me’ and ‘morally unacceptable opinions that I will neither listen to nor associate with anyone who hold them’.

There are many political opinions that I strongly believe in that I am comfortable disagreeing with people on. I believe everyone has a right to health care, and that society should guarantee basic necessities for everyone. I even feel that belief is a morality based belief. However, I can accept people disagreeing with me, and can accept that there are some strong arguments against my belief, and that good people can disagree with my position.

On the other hand, if someone believes that certain races should not have the same rights, or that women should be given less agency than men, I will not entertain that argument or accept that it is just a political dispute. That is a fundamental moral issue, and is beyond JUST politics.

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foxglacier 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Do you find leftists hate you for your position on racism? A major part of modern leftism is explicitly the belief that certain races should not have the same rights, and this is even encoded into law in many western countries, including the US (affirmative action).

	▲	habinero 5 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		That's not what affirmative action is. At least understand what it actually is before you go making up fanfic about it.

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kenjackson 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Protected speech can be beyond politics. Politics doesn't subsume all protected speech.

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Uhhrrr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That is a good example of "dumb shit". No one believes Musk is a Nazi, but they try to make hay with it anyway.

	▲	ssully an hour ago \| parent [-]
		You do not have to look beyond Elon’s own Twitter accounts posts, retweets, and likes, to see that he is a full fledged white supremacist. Calling him a Nazi is appropriate.