Campaigns like this need more info. This page doesn't answer any basic questions.

How much money do you currently get? How much money do you need and how will you use it? Does it even go directly to Thunderbird development or will be used up by Mozilla for other projects?

Edit: I found some info here: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/donate/

Still, my point stands that communication around it should be super clear and available on all pages where they collect money. It shouldn't require me to search for it.

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zdc1 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, there's basically nothing explaining why the need more funding, and what they will do with it. Hosting? Salaries? Admin? You'd hope for a bit more context than this.

> How will my gift be used?

> Thunderbird is the leading open source email and productivity app that is free for business and personal use. Your gift helps ensure it stays that way, and supports ongoing development.

	▲	glenstein 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Mostly to "technical staff" who work on product and infrastructure. I just don't think the point of the donate page was to be an information warehouse but instead just a dead simple donate page. The other info is googleable if you're looking for it. https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/10/state-of-the-bird-2024-...

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throw934ork4k 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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monooso 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For the avoidance of doubt, you won't donate to Thunderbird because you disagree with the following policy?

> We do not discriminate on the basis of race [...], religion [...], gender, gender identity, gender expression, color, national origin, pregnancy, ancestry, domestic partner status, disability, sexual orientation, age, genetic predisposition, medical condition, marital status, citizenship status, military or veteran status, or any other basis covered by applicable laws. Mozilla will not tolerate discrimination or harassment based on any of these characteristics or any other unlawful behavior, conduct, or purpose.

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encom 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, that is correct. Discrimination is already illegal in hiring. Spelling it out so absurdly verbosely is just virtue signalling. If you're a remote developer, nobody cares about your colour or sex. Except at Mozilla, where people have their pronouns in Bugzilla.

To be clear, I fully support the right to be and feel and think whatever you want, but don't expect me to care about it, and this endless signposting of identity is tiresome.

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monooso 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

By that reasoning, nobody would engage in discriminatory hiring practices (or indeed discriminatory behaviour in general), because it's against the law. That is clearly not the case.

As such, I really don't see why you have a problem with Mozilla making their position on this matter crystal clear. Do you really consider reading a few extra words that much of a hardship?

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skyyler 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You say you don't care about these identities, yet you’re willing to let a tool you (presumably) value lose funding over a text block you find 'verbose.' It seems you care enough about the signposting to let it outweigh the software's actual utility.

	▲	encom 10 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, you just restated my argument.

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tokai 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

get over yourself

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Hasnep 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You won't donate because they will try not to discriminate when hiring? It's illegal to discriminate on things like race, sex and gender when hiring, so pretty much every company avoids it.

	▲	throw384949 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Just click away is statement from Mozilla with all the usual buzzwords. I am not convinced thunderbird is separate entity. It clearly shares HR and hiring with Mozilla! I would be happy to directly sponsor independent developers from poor countries (including Africa). But I am not going to pay $180k+ salaries to some corporation!

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upofadown 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They are an entity separate from Mozilla:

* https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

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smarnach 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are not entirely separate from Mozilla. The MZLA Technologies Corporation is a for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. They have access to some of Mozilla's common infrastructure, but are otherwise entirely funded by donations. Donations to MZLA only fund Thunderbird and no other products.

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garaetjjte 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Seems fine if you can donate to Thunderbird development. Compared to Firefox, where I don't think it's possible to donate to development at all (only to Mozilla activism side).

	▲	flopbob 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You can buy their Products. Afaik if you buy i.e. Firefox relay the revenue does not go to the foundation. Edit: I just checked the Invoice, payment goes indeed to Mozilla Corporation, not the foundation.

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throw384949 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Mozilla also runs hiring and HR for MZLA. They control who gets hired and fired.

It is more like money laundering, than independent entity.

	▲	wsmwk 17 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> Mozilla also runs hiring and HR for MZLA. They control who gets hired and fired. This is completely and utterly false. MZLA hiring posts are placed on the Mozilla hiring site, and nothing more.

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bpt3 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They are a wholly owned subsidiary. They're separate from Firefox, not Mozilla.

	▲	wsmwk 13 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		To be more clear: * MZLA are a subsidiary of Mozilla FOUNDATION * MZLA are separate from Mozilla CORPORATION aka Firefox