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simianwords 3 hours ago

Haha ok. So still no example?

The GPT shared link shows a "thought for" which indicates using the latest thinking model. You may try that.

What you can do is this: submit a prompt that clearly makes GPT hallucinate.

You may secretly use a worse model. You may use a system prompt that deliberately gives wrong answers. But I'm going to assume you won't go that far.

We can leave it to the public to decide whether this is a legitimate counter example or not and whether it can really be reproduced. Shall we try that? I'm guessing you won't but worth a shot!

simoncion 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You weren't paying much attention to the "Consider:" part of my previous comment.

You don't believe that a well-paid, very careful, high-integrity member of the computer safety community has -on multiple occasions- encountered actual, sustained bullshiting from the latest-available for-pay version of ChatGPT. You don't accept either this fellow's reports or my informed assessment of his computing situation as truthful and accurate. On top of that, your goalpost-shifting and general demeanor throughout this conversation simply don't give me the impression that you've much integrity. I'm not spending the equivalent of ten-to-twenty six-packs to reproduce aphyr's work and -given the evidence I have before me- have you reject that, as well.

200 USD is a lot of money to throw away to "win" an Internet argument with a stranger who refuses to accept evidence presented by someone known to be careful, scrupulous, and honest.

simianwords an hour ago | parent [-]

> On top of that, your goalpost-shifting and general demeanor throughout this conversation simply don't give me the impression that you've much integrity. I'm not spending the equivalent of ten-to-twenty six-packs to reproduce aphyr's work and -given the evidence I have before me- have you reject that, as well.

Lol what goal post did I move? I said text only and you rejected it. You can present the example here and let the public judge it - even if my integrity is compromised. I'm allowing you to do it.

> 200 USD is a lot of money to throw away to "win" an Internet argument with a stranger who refuses to accept evidence presented by someone known to be careful, scrupulous, and honest.

200 what? I'm using the $20 one. This is getting ridiculous!

You can't present a _single_ counter example!