This is extremely easy with tools like dokploy tho... I use dokploy locally to manage all my VPSs + home server. Truly good stuff and I don't believe your quip at the end, it feels like poisoning the open source waters for consolidated anti democratic cloud platforms.

It's way way way way easier managing a basic VPS that can be highly performant for your needs. If this was 2010, I'd agree with you but tooling and practices have gotten so much better over the last decade (especially the last 5 years).

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kennu 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe you're right - I've never tried dokploy, but from documentation it sounds like mostly a deployment, monitoring and alerting tool. For me the problem has always been that once you get the alert (or something just stops working), a human needs to react to it and make things work again. In cloud services you mostly pay for them providing the human, and in self-hosting you're the human.

I can see though that today's AI models could eventually replace the human in the loop and truly automatically fix every possible situation.

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wouldbecouldbe an hour ago | parent | next [-]

yeah i've had more downtime on managed db's & cloud servers then on my own managed VPS. And if it happens, with VPS i can normally fix it instantly compared to waiting 20-60 min for a response, just to let you know they start fixing it. And when they fix it, it doesnt always mean your instance automatically works.

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c-hendricks 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I must be using the wrong cloud services. Whenever a part of our app goes down someone on the team still needs to respond to it.

	▲	kennu an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You might be right. I've been mostly using serverless / managed cloud services such as AWS Lambda, API Gateway, S3, DynamoDB for the past 10+ years. When I've needed to respond, it's been because I myself deployed a bad update and needed to roll it back, or a third party integration broke. The cloud platform itself has been very stable, and during the couple of bigger incidents that have happened, I've just waited for AWS to fix it and for things to start working again.
	▲	bdangubic 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		you actually need new ops teammates, not new cloud services :)

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satvikpendem 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed, Dokploy is great, not sure why you got downvoted for the suggestion.