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jamiequint 2 hours ago

"Cameras don't fix homelessness or addiction or underfunded services. They just make life harder for regular people."

In what way do cameras make life harder for regular people? If anything rampant crime (and progressive legal systems' unwillingness to lock up repeat offenders for a long time or at all) makes life much harder for regular people than a camera just sitting there.

text0404 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Biased policing means these systems are used to target minorities, activists, and people with "controversial" beliefs: https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/discriminatory...

Vrondi 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

By mis-identifying them, leading to 5 months of jail time for a person who has done nothing other than be in public. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/30/us/north-dakota-facial-re...

MSFT_Edging an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A few months ago a woman was harassed over a crime she did not commit, by a police officer using her vehicle driving in a large general area as proof she committed the crime. Officer demanded she admit to a crime she did not commit.

Additionally, the surveillance apparatus enables parallel reconstruction. When law enforcement gathers evidence via illegal means, they can then use the drag net to find cause to detain/search unrelated to the original crime, in order to have cover to gather evidence they illegally gathered prior, aka a loophole for civil rights.

ggoo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Surveillance tech can alter peoples behavior. I know I'm personally more stressed when I know I'm being filmed, even if I'm doing nothing wrong.

https://academic.oup.com/nc/article/2024/1/niae039/7920510?l...

jamiequint an hour ago | parent [-]

Untrue at a population level, just compare anxiety disorders and self-reported anxiety between USA and China.

tadfisher an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Police used AI facial recognition to arrest a Tennessee woman for crimes committed in a state she says she’s never visited": https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/29/us/angela-lipps-ai-facial-rec...

jamiequint an hour ago | parent [-]

The plural of anecdote is not data

xracy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You didn't ask for data... You asked: "In what way do cameras make life harder for regular people?"

That requires a specific example, which you were provided with. This reads to me as a pithy response that doesn't want to wrestle with the ways this can be misused.

jamiequint 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

By this same argument ANY police makes life hard for regular people because they sometimes fuck up, so let's just get rid of police too. What's the worst that could happen.

text0404 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

The general sentiment in the thread is that this is too powerful a technology in the hands of unqualified law enforcement. In the same way that I don't trust federal law enforcement in the post-Snowden era, I don't trust local law enforcement with mass surveillance tools.

tadfisher an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Your question was:

> In what way do cameras make life harder for regular people?

I provided an example. Are you only accepting peer-reviewed studies?

jamiequint 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

Single example is worthless. Is there a pattern of this happening far more often? Overall, do fewer people get incorrectly arrested or detained as a result of this technology, or more.

turtlesdown11 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

so where are your data sources arguing these are helping?

m3047 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1) Surveillance needs to be reviewed. Even if reviewed by AI, eventually that reviewed work needs to be reviewed by a human if we're going to maintain the fiction / friction of "human in the loop". The "hits" will include false positives, unless the system is overtuned so that it rarely kicks an event.

1a) Review will take time / resources which could be spent on human policing, harming the community.

1b) Some jurisdictions may prefer "broken windows as policy", the notion that they can construct a "reasonable suspicion", given enough garbage (some of it outright garbage, the point being there is so much of it nobody cares; don't need to do an accurate drug test until trial, right?).

2) False surveillance hits will make it through human review and result in injury to innocent humans.

3) Police forces already lack the money / manpower to investigate potential crimes.

4) Police forces already "prioritize" other matters than the mentally ill setting their houses on fire or releasing plagues of rabbits into their neighborhoods (actual things that have happened to me!).

array_key_first an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's zero proof anywhere that these devices do anything about crimes. How could they? A camera can't lock someone up.

ikrenji 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

feels somewhat dystopian, no? the big brother is watching everywhere you go. no way this can go tits up