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| ▲ | rudhdb773b 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Because today it will be used as a first responder. Tomorrow a police officer will suggest that these drones (that we are already using successfully) could be very useful for checking up on that "dangerous" neighborhood. |
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| ▲ | sheiyei 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As a concept, first responder drones are a good idea. But I wouldn't want public services having anything to do with that company. |
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| ▲ | pesus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If the drones are "providing information" to the police, it's only a matter of time before their AI hallucinates something that gets someone killed. We've already seen AI gun detection services that report things like Doritos bags as guns. |
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| ▲ | grimcompanion 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | OTOH it will provide more surveillance of the police themselves. Humans are also bad at gun detection (sometimes willfully so) and this provides another check. | | |
| ▲ | FireBeyond 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Watch for Flock footage to be "unavailable"/"deleted"/"corrupt" just as often as bodycam footage is. | | |
| ▲ | IAmBroom a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | Not as often; it creates friction and requires cooperation from others (or an officer with unusual skill and access, presumably). It will absolutely happen in corrupt departments, or those involving an officer with those skills and access. But data that is uploaded is infinitely harder to erase than simply turning off the camera in the first place. | |
| ▲ | gretch 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's right. And also just like the missing epstein footage. Because it's a social problem, not a technology problem. At the same time, just because these instances of "missing" tape happen, does not mean that body cams and jailhouse CCTV are useless. We would not take those away. Likewise for the future drone footage |
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| ▲ | scottyah 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's a very bleak (and awfully sus) outlook if you think providing more information to people who need to make decisions that could save or end lives is a bad thing. | | |
| ▲ | pesus an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's more "sus" that you blindly trust the police, politicians, and billionaires that have a history of discrimination, violence, and oppression and attempt to slander those who don't. Not to mention blindly trusting AI systems with someone's life - the only reason one would do that is because they either stand to profit from it or don't understand how they work. Are you really willing and eager to put your life in the hands of a piece of software that can't distinguish a gun and a Doritos bag? Remember, oppression and invasion of privacy is still bad even if it isn't currently happening to you. If you think you can't be a target, you're sorely mistaken. | |
| ▲ | Quinner 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Those people have proven very untrustworthy and are structurally unaccountable. | |
| ▲ | thomastjeffery 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are giving those people the benefit of the doubt. It's been proven many many times that police will use "more information" to excuse their own decision to use violence. A decision that they already made well before the incident. |
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| ▲ | wiether 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At least their current cameras are fixed to a single point. With their drones they now have cameras roaming freely everywhere. |
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| ▲ | dmbche 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What's the drone gonna do? |
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| ▲ | ThaDood an hour ago | parent [-] | | Likely: Scan everyone's home while en-route to the 911 call with an infrared camera. Or scan all of the license plates and faces of people along the way. Possible: Perhaps crash into someone? Or worse. | | |
| ▲ | HWR_14 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Scan everyone's home while en-route to the 911 call with an infrared camera. That's unconstitutional. Use a regular camera and it's fine for some reason. |
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| ▲ | chaps 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm sorry but, in what way is a swarm of surveillance drones NOT a mass surveillance system? |
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| ▲ | zoklet-enjoyer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And then what? Hover over me as I'm dying? |
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| ▲ | tux1968 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes. If you called from your cell phone while on foot or in your car, the drone can find your exact location and hover over you until help arrives, quicker than if EMS has to search you out themselves. | | |
| ▲ | FireBeyond 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How so? I ask as a paramedic of 14 years, now retired. If EMS has to "search you out" so does the drone. At least in my County, we actually get very good triangulation info from 911. It was very rare that Dispatch told us they only had Level 2(IIRC) location info (which might be to several hundred feet). FAR more common was people who actually told us the -wrong- location. Car accidents that were several miles up the road from their location. Saying Blah St SE when they meant Blah Rd NE, etc. Drones don't solve for that problem. They're going to the wrong location, too. | | |
| ▲ | tux1968 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > If EMS has to "search you out" so does the drone. The point is that the drone is fast enough to arrive first, and do the searching so that you don't have to. It's just one of many possible scenarios. I totally understand the argument that this might not be the most effective use of money, but I honestly don't understand the lack of appreciation for the number of places this could be used effectively. |
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| ▲ | zoklet-enjoyer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ok. I live in a small, flat city with few trees. So why did my police department buy these? | | |
| ▲ | tux1968 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Obviously I don't know the specifics of your city, but in general there are a lot of scenarios where it's valuable to get to a scene very quickly (no traffic, etc.) and obtain reconnaissance. Especially violent scenes, or it could even be a drunk driver who is still on the move, or a stolen car where the perpetrators are likely to flee on foot if stopped. I'm sure you can come up with a lot more ideas using your imagination. | | | |
| ▲ | scottyah 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Can they drive straight to you at 60mph without stopping? | | |
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| ▲ | jeffbee 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yeah this doesn't bother me in any way, shape, or form. We already have manned aircraft that respond to such things, unmanned aircraft are a strictly better solution. It makes sense for police and it makes even more sense for fire. An aircraft can arrive at the site of a reported fire while firemen are still buckling their pants. |
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| ▲ | dmbche 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You get manned aircraft to come and check in before the police when you call 911? | | |
| ▲ | jeffbee 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, often the first response to some calls is a CHP aircraft that continuously loiters in the area. |
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