Operation "Epic Fury" Deepens Transatlantic Rift: U.S., EU at Odds over Security

libertine 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

If it was just epic fury.

JD Vance was just this week showing support to Orban, the PM of Hungary that is a servant of the Russian regime, and openly says EU is a threat to Hungary.

Not to mention the Hungarian FM relaying Russia FM information from EU closed door meetings.

Why is the US administration helping Russia and client regimes of Russia to undermine the EU?

And the most odd thing, why isn't the media asking this directly and openly?

"Why are you supporting and helping a compromised government tied to Russia, that has been actively undermining EU?"

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vrganj 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Because they, too, are a client regime of Russia ;-)

It was extra ridiculous how Vance complained about perceived EU interference in Hungarian elections while he was actually interfering in Hungarian elections .

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lifestyleguru 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What US is doing right now is simply hostile, creepy, and scary. There exist some USA-Israel-Russia dynamics which will be obvious from a perspective in a decade. What is clear right now is that these three somehow act together.

	▲	mindslight 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Way back at the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, I remember there was a UN vote on whether to condemn it. The yeas and nays were how you'd generally expect from how nations are aligned, except Israel voted "nay". I remember thinking it was odd, as they should basically be an ally of the US and didn't seem involved in that specific situation. But in retrospect, it makes sense - they're both countries with imperialist genocidal ambitions over their neighbors. The grounds to condemn Russia attacking Ukraine is the same as the grounds to condemn Israel's long term subjugation of Gaza and the West Bank - they're both a rejection of might makes right in favor of valuing individual human life of the other. And of course one pillar of US neofascism is this exact same type of othering (eg how they can so readily write off the summary executions of Pretti, Good, Taylor, et al). Seeing how the fallout from the Epstein kompromat operation has been playing out, I suspect there are some deep ties between their intelligence operations - if not outright collaberation, at least respect that they're working the same "marks" (eg Trump and his circle being the most visible, but also all of the other enablers in the US power structure like the Senate and House).

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bigbadfeline 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Why is the US administration helping Russia and client regimes of Russia to undermine the EU?

Undermining and destroying the competition by all means available is a thing. Nationalism is a contagious disease that has to start somewhere in order to infect the real target in the future.

Russian nationalism has been fertilized and watered for most of the last 150 years, naturally Russia is now being used as patient zero, Orban and some others follow down the line. The Russian brand is heavily anti-European and anti-Slavic, it's the political vehicle driving the war in Urkaine.

The EU is walking a fine line here, pushing post-modern on Orban, or any other EU country, serves only as a stimulant to native nationalism - that's the real force that can break the EU and start another age of European wars. Don't be surprised that the native nutzis are getting support from abroad, it's good business for the latter.

> And the most odd thing, why isn't the media asking this directly and openly?

They ask only what they're paid to ask, money talks is nothing new.

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8cvor6j844qw_d6 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Whoever picked that name, they had too much video games.

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player1234 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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watwut 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

When Americans talk and write about Europeans concerns, they somehow always ignore the biggest European concerns in question replacing them by their own imaginary ones.