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| ▲ | inejge 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Why can't the cyclists slow down when they see that there's a human obstacle in front of them? They usually do. (The considerate and/or non-confrontational ones. There are always idiots, and people have the tendency to remember negative outliers and project their behavior on the group as a whole, which is unfortunate.) However, slowing down isn't the whole story. Riding a non-motorized bicycle is much easier if the rider can keep moving, however slowly, so it would be considerate in turn for the pedestrian to step aside and let the cyclist pass, if possible. A distracted pedestrian can be warned by a bell. Separately, delivery riders as a category have an incentive to ride as quickly as possible, which is a recipe for conflict. Removing that incentive means removing or completely reimagining the service. I don't think that anybody has a solution or mitigation at present. |
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| ▲ | bdavbdav 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In the roads near my office (central London), which are seldom used by cars, several pedestrians at a time very often walk down the road or diagonally cross the road head in phone. You can get very close and the still don’t notice (the slower you are, the quieter you become so even less likely to hear you). I’m not sure arguing against a bell is helpful - people need to look on any road, especially with the advent of quiet electric cars. |
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| ▲ | paganel 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure is helpful, because it goes like this: pedestrians first -> then cyclists -> then motorists. You may notice that in this worldview (one which I find very hard to argue against) cyclists should give priority to pedestrians, no questions asked. I don't care about fancy bells or whatever, no-one takes those into consideration even when we (us, pedestrians, that is) can hear them because, and I repeat, cyclists are not as important as pedestrians are. | | |
| ▲ | fleebee 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Where I live, generally if you're allowed to use a road or a lane, you have equal rights to others using it. On a road, cyclists have equal rights to motorists; on shared lanes, pedestrians don't have special rights and are expected to walk near the edge. Your worldview (mostly) applies to pedestrian crossings but that's the extent of it. | |
| ▲ | bdavbdav 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think that’s probably quite a selfish world view (and also quite arrogant to claim your own view is hard to argue against - of course you would find it hard to argue against, that is moot…) When there is infrastructure to support all 3 kinds of users, it seems a lot more equitable for everyone to use the space cooperatively. I absolutely agree one should give way to more vulnerable road users, but that all 3 can have better outcomes (safety, speed of journey, efficiency etc) it all use it cooperatively and conscientiously. To labour the point, on shared cycle and pedestrian paths with a line down the middle, does a bell ring combined with slowing down to a safe speed not seem like an appropriate warning? | |
| ▲ | tpm 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You may not care about fancy bells but you will care about loud honking close to your ears in my very recent experience from the streets of Shanghai. You don't have absolute priority just because you are a pedestrian. > Why can't the cyclists slow down when they see that there's a human obstacle in front of them? Because if the space is limited and they actually want to get somewhere, they just don't have time for that? And slowing down often means stopping and causing a traffic jam. Note that I mostly agree with what you wrote (and I give priority to pedestrians when I'm riding my bike) but there are different situations that have to be taken into account. | | |
| ▲ | gs17 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > and I give priority to pedestrians when I'm riding my bike Even when you "actually want to get somewhere"? | |
| ▲ | paganel 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > they just don't have time for that? They for sure have time for that. When I drive my car can't use that as an excuse. |
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| ▲ | djtango 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Generally I am pretty accommodating of pedestrians and give them a wide berth but sometimes they do some pretty obnoxious things like walk six abreast or cut right in front of you erratically without looking. I have very little time for people who freely absolve themselves of their personal responsibility to be aware of their surroundings and we shouldn't be encouraging people to zone out of society just so they can consume more. I am comfortable cycling slower than walking pace and if I am in a real rush for speed I will cycle on the road but sometimes pedestrians can cause serious cycling accidents even when you're careful or slow. |
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| ▲ | adriand 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are often a LOT of human obstacles, and we have places to be! I slow down a bit but I don’t have a lot of patience for total unawareness. I don’t find this to be an issue with riding in the city because I ride on the road or in bike lanes. But when I go trail riding, it’s very annoying when people take up the trail and do not hear or react to my bell. Sometimes the situation is such that it is difficult to stop or evade the person, such as during a technical descent. If you’re out on the woods, there is really no excuse not to be aware of your surroundings. |
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| ▲ | throw83940449 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is easy excuse, people expect other people to be rational, and to slow down a bit. Not to ride downhill at full speed. I heard "human obstacle" last time in carmagedon! |
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| ▲ | pandaman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Cyclists can slow down when there is an obstacle in front of them. But they cannot teleport away when a pedestrian runs into the side of the bike. |
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| ▲ | dairylee 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| We do slow down. I've lost count of the times I've been riding at walking pace behind someone, on a shared path, waiting to get past because they're completely oblivious to the bell ringing, politely asking, or even flashing lights. |