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ai_slop_hater 9 hours ago

How about cyclists stop cycling on sidewalks?

9dev 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know where you're from, but in Germany for example, there are countless situations where cyclists and pedestrians share the same space, or pedestrians can (or just do…) cross bicycle lanes. I'm a very law-abiding cyclist since witnessing a few horrible accidents, and yet I encounter situations with headphone-wearing pedestrians regularly. Often I'll ring my bell to no avail, until driving right up to them, and they still won't hear me. This is really frustrating; I'm definitely in the market for this.

ai_slop_hater 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I am aware that most countries do not have dedicated roads for cyclists, but that doesn't mean that cyclists should be using sidewalks. When I go out and walk on the sidewalk, I expect to be able to just walk safely without having to think about potential riders of bicycles or other things that people ride on sidewalks.

kuerbel 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No he meant this: https://www.fahrradstadt-braunschweig.de/wp-content/uploads/...

Left side is for bicycles. Right side for pedestrians. It is a dedicated lane but a shared space.

eru 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I am aware that most countries do not have dedicated roads for cyclists, but that doesn't mean that cyclists should be using sidewalks.

Huh? Germany has signs on same shared pavements that tell you that by law your bike needs to be on there, not on the road.

Are you suggesting people break the law over your preferences?

ai_slop_hater 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Then it's a stupid law. But from the image that other commenter gave, it does look like Germany has space that is clearly intended for cyclists, and I have no issue with that. I have issue with instances when people cycle on sidewalks intended for pedestrians.

egormakarov 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If just slowing down helps to prevent an accident, not sure what the bell would be good for - except for signaling your frustration to everyone around you

keybored 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I'm a very law-abiding cyclist since witnessing a few horrible accidents, and yet I encounter situations with headphone-wearing pedestrians regularly. Often I'll ring my bell to no avail, until driving right up to them, and they still won't hear me. This is really frustrating; I'm definitely in the market for this.

I’m guessing some law (law-abiding) gives you the right to bother people who are using their own feet instead of wheels because you want to pass them and they should have to actively watch out for you and yield to you? Okay, that part is fine. But I don’t see how it is nice or, I dunno, ethical.

In my experience (in my locale) as a cyclist you either give pedestrians a wide enough berth, dismount so that you can pass them if it is crowded and there is no passage, or use the vehicular road.

I remember violating this one time when I belled someone that I wanted to pass on the sidewalk. But I was a child at the time. Even more self-centered than I am now.

These seeming rules for yielding to cyclists are worse than the laws and norms when cars interact with bicycles, by the way. At least where I am: cars never honk cyclists. They have to wait for them or find a window to pass them safely. They can’t honk them into the ditch or something.

9dev 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> I’m guessing some law (law-abiding) gives you the right to bother people who are using their own feet instead of wheels because you want to pass them and they should have to actively watch out for you and yield to you? Okay, that part is fine. But I don’t see how it is nice or, I dunno, ethical.

No. There are just people who will walk on a designated bicycle lane because they haven't seen the signage, are ignorant or careless about it, or will just cross it to get somewhere else. All while wearing ANC headphones. This isn't about bothering someone, but warning them. It's really no different from someone jaywalking without seeing you, and honking to make them aware of that. Or are you supposing you'd just break and wait until they're finished crossing the street?

keybored 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I totally agree in the context of bicycle lanes.

Sorry. Apparently I didn’t read your comment carefully enough.

madjam002 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A lot of footpaths in Europe are designated paths that are shared with cyclists

thejohnconway 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a cyclist in London, I’ve hit one pedestrian: they stepped backward(!) into a cycle lane. I had nowhere to go, as there was a curb on the other side. Pedestrian behaviour is just totally wild with respect to cycle lanes, a lot of them are just totally oblivious. If you cycle, you will come across people walking along or stepping into dedicated cycle lanes several times during the average commute.

Topfi 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At least here in Austria, I honestly rarely, if ever, see them do that. Either roads or dedicated/mixed designated cycle paths. We do have enforcement even against cyclists, though more than anything, that catches all the "unlocked" e-bikes, because cycling on the sidewalks is not a thing anyone does.

Even with bikes being off the sidewalk, there is need for a quick way of getting others pedestrians attention.

bayindirh 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

e.g.: In Amsterdam you cross biking lanes to cross the roads sometimes, or bike lanes and sidewalks are so integrated, you can wander into them without noticing.

Being tired in a crowded street in rainy weather doesn't help either.

bdavbdav 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is always an odd one, as it’s the people who look like they just found a bike in a skip and decided to ride around here that cycle on the pavements.

venzaspa 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm often a pedestrian and I've been known to walk into the road where there are bikes and cars also.

JensKnipper 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What if they are shared?

Faaak 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

not all of them do

keybored 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Edit 2: I originally didn’t think of the case when you want to warn pedestrians that you are passing (without asking them to give way) in case they decide to switch direction without looking if there is any incoming entities. That seems legitimate to me. Although giving a wide enough berth might be better than doing it routinely (that could amount to a lot of noise eventually).

Edit: Since people seem to go either way: It is my understanding that in my part of the world (in Scandinavia) cyclists do not have the right of way on sidewalks (which means they can’t bell people away). They also (and I know this one) do not have the right of way while cycling across road crossings. Something that most cyclists, in my experience, violate all the time.

Quite. It drives me up the wall when cyclists not only use the sidewalk close enough to me to practically graze me (pedestrian), but expect me to actively pay attention and yield to them. Use the road, dummy (there are scarce few bicycle lanes).

I use regular headphones (not over-ear and not really noise canc.) on the sidewalk but take them off when I am crossing the street. And I of course am mindful of other pedestrians. But I’m not gonna take them off because some two-wheeler thinks they can ram into me unless I jump out of the way on the sidewalk.

crooked-v 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, sure, as soon as infrastructure exists so the alternative isn't "get run over by a homicidal driver". And actual infrastructure, not painted lines that typically get filled up with double-parking cars.

Markoff 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this was not really an issue before food delivery apps came into fashion

btw. kids up until certain age can pretty much in all countries ride bike legally on sidewalk, are there any countries where 8yo can't ride bike on sidewalk?

gs17 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's a problem in the US where bicycle food delivery is really rare. Even in places with good bike lanes, they'll often prefer the sidewalk because if there is some sort of obstacle in the bike lane (e.g. a car that parked illegally), it won't jump out of the way for them like a pedestrian with a sense of self-preservation, which would mean they might have to slow down.

andrepd 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed. Make bike paths and people cycle on bike paths. Crazy stuff I know!

lwansbrough 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think I’d prefer AI slop comments to comments like this.