| ▲ | anovikov 3 hours ago |
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| ▲ | amunozo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| What are you trying to say? Stop justifying Israel's actions as inevitable. They are not. |
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| ▲ | anovikov 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I mean, other way around is if "Palestine" advances on Israel. | | |
| ▲ | amunozo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If it is to recover what Israel occupied illegally, good. If Palestine did what Israel is doing, that would be bad. What happened in October the 7th was also horrible and condemned. We really need to deescalate the whole situation and stop the violence. Every one of these violent actions (in which Israel is the main perpetrator by far), not only create suffering and deaths in the short term, but makes a possible solution harder and harder. | | |
| ▲ | anovikov 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But in land of Israel/Palestine itself, there's no significant violence going on right? Hamas is isolated, there is an ample security zone, it's cut off from border and unable to militarily recover - problem is solved. West Bank is split into many enclaves, surrounded by walls and buffer zones, incapable of doing much harm and seems to be unwilling to try it in any case - any such outbursts will be contained if they happen. For now, problem looks like it's solved - Palestinians on either side are incapable of harming Israel much, and Israel doesn't need or want to harm them either simply because endgame is unclear - ideally they are pushed out but no country will accept them so it's futile. What is the exact problem we are discussing here? Actions in Lebanon are simply about creating a buffer zone there to make remnants of Hezbolla to threaten Israeli northern towns. Once zone south Litani river is secured, things will calm down. | | |
| ▲ | nixon_why69 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's lots of violence towards Palestinians ongoing in both the West Bank and Gaza. While a million(!!) are newly homeless in Lebanon. The complete lack of regard for non-Israeli life says more than any propaganda ever could. | |
| ▲ | xg15 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Problem is solved for Israel, right. Gaza is still in ruins, cut off from everything, there is a massive humanitarian crisis, the systematic dispossession campaign in the West Bank is accelerating, but I guess all of that just affects Palestinians, so it doesn't count... | |
| ▲ | cloud-ranger 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Things were calm until Israel attacked Lebanon. They did it, after Israel and America started an illegal war against Iran.
At this point, everyone knows Israel is the aggressor.
One of the first acts of Operation Epstein's Fury was to attack a girls school and murder over 170 kids with a Tomahawk. Why? | | |
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| ▲ | nickserv 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > We really need to deescalate the whole situation and stop the violence. Yes. Also, I would like a poney. | | |
| ▲ | bigfudge 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This is so unhelpful. What has happened in the last 5 weeks has hugely escalated the violence in an already difficult situation. It's not wishful thinking or naive to think that deliberately inflaming a difficult situation is a bad idea. | |
| ▲ | amunozo 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | So what's the alternative? Wanting to deescalate this massacre is nonsense, but the actions of Israel make sense? |
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| ▲ | sph 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As long as the state of Israel is a project of ultra-nationalist hostile expansion, yes. Respect your neighbours or else. |
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| ▲ | expedition32 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ultra religious expansion. Sadly there's no Babylon this time. | |
| ▲ | k33n 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Or else what? You can’t do anything. | | |
| ▲ | WastedCucumber 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Or else they'll eventually alienate a majority of their patron state's voting population, and finally get hemmed in / risk losing your military (and other) funding that their state is dependent on. Heavens to Betsy please don't be so passive. | |
| ▲ | Muromec 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We can reverse the whole thing -- lift sancions on Iran, sell them weapons, let them have their bomb and impose embargo on Israel. That should cool tbe delusions of grandeur pretty quick. |
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| ▲ | IshKebab 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think the alternative he was alluding to was that Iran is the project of ultra-religious hostile expansion. Which of course they would do if they could. Pick your poison - nationalist fanaticism or religious fanaticism. Obviously neither would be best but that isn't a realistic possibility. I think I'd probably rather Israel conquered the Middle East than Iran. | | |
| ▲ | AlecSchueler an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > Iran is the project of ultra-religious hostile expansion. Which of course they would do if they could. Would they? I wish we could start making decisions based in reality and not on hypotheticals. | |
| ▲ | sph 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Iran "would" expand (and citation needed) is very different than Israel "is in the process of" expanding, invading, suppressing peoples of different cultures within and without the borders of its state. > I think I'd probably rather Israel conquered the Middle East than Iran. I'd rather that whomever pursues a project of Lebensraum (that includes Russia) to be reminded of its place in the world, one way or another. | | | |
| ▲ | pbiggar 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is absurd. Iran hasn't done hostile expansion during its entire history as a modern state. Meanwhile the Greater Israel project is being aggressively pursued, with Israel currently (as in today, Wednesday April 8th) ethnically cleansing South Lebanon for indefinite occupation, as well as annexing the West Bank. | | |
| ▲ | lukan an hour ago | parent [-] | | But Iran was involved in war abroad, trained militias and send weapons to Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Gaza, Lebanon, .. and also had personal on the ground. They even try to enforce a death sentence worldwide and allmost succeded against a author who never even has been in Iran for writing a fantasy book (Salmom Rushdi). It is absurd claiming they are peaceful. None of this justifies what Israel religious and nationalists are doing, but this black and white painting is not what is solving the conflict. |
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| ▲ | throawayonthe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What do you mean? |