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It doesn’t really bother the US specifically, it raises oil prices for everyone. The only difference is the US is the only that has a military that can actually do anything about it. We’re not going to let them charge ships like that nor would the Gulf States allow it - it’s existential. They expect to be able to trade products on the free market under safe seas like any other country. This is a core global principle. If the US walks away this failure falls on the global community for continuing to stand by and do nothing while these guys load up on missiles and try to build a nuclear weapon and then they can charge even more for the straight.

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smallmancontrov 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Principles are just power in disguise.

You're correct about the chain of events, but you aren't modeling the fact that the person who got us into this war had all of this explained to him many times and decided to YOLO it anyway. He was comfortable with that bad decision, why not this one?

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nkozyra 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given all that, maybe we shouldn't have attacked. Doesn't seem like it really did anything.

	▲	thaumasiotes 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		On the contrary, it accomplished a lot. We're no closer to any of our goals, but Iran is much closer to many of its goals.

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JumpCrisscross 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> We’re not going to let them charge ships like that nor would the Gulf States allow it - it’s existential

We may not give a fuck. Unless the Gulf is going to secure Hormuz, or engage in tit-for-tat with Tehran, this could very well become the new status quo.

From a purely pecuniary perspective, transit fees on Gulf oil means more profit for American exports. (And the party in power doesn't care about California.)

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Teever 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But can the US military actually do anything about it? They've been trying for five weeks and Iran has successfully fended them off.

It's really hard to look at this situation as anything but a loss for the United States. Tens of billions wasted in a matter of weeks, years of missile inventory depleted, People of all stripes rightfully calling Trump and Hegseth war criminals, and most of all -- they have nothing to show for it. Nothing.

Iran won this war and they're going to be resupplied and rebuilt by China. This is a "If it bleeds we can kill it" moment for America's enemies. They know that they can stand up against America on the battle field and walk away bruised but still walking.

The way I see it Americans are in complete denial about this right now. Denial is but the first stage of grief and the nation will have to trudge through the rest of that process but they'll eventually come to terms about the death of their empire.

It'll take at least a generation before Americans can appreciate the consequences of their poor choices over the last few decades but they will come to terms with it. They have to or they risk a slow and steady spiral into irrelevance.

The US gained absolutely nothing from this and lost everything.

That's how every empire falls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8GgdL2xBYY

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UncleOxidant 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trump will just spin it as a win by saying that ships are moving through the SoH again and not mentioning the Iran tollbooth. Most of his supporters won't question it.

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k33n 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There's not much of a real way to see what we say on this site because most of it gets flagged in violation of the rules.

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SllX 9 hours ago | parent [-]

If something gets flagged down that hard, it’s easy to see in show dead. I almost never see anything flagged/dead that didn’t actually deserve it. The moderation here is excellent.

	▲	k33n 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Not really