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AnimalMuppet 11 hours ago

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g8oz 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are Israeli concerns the axis around which the world must revolve? In any case they can keep busy ethnically cleansing south Lebanon and murdering Palestinian children.

dralley 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Do you think only the Israelis are pissed about the Iranians funding the Houthis and Hezbollah?

The Saudis were at war with the Houthis for several years, Hezbollah assassinate Lebanese politicians and repeatedly starts wars that nobody else in Lebanon wants, which also includes intervening in the Syrian civil war on behalf of Assad and starving out Syrian villages. Ask the Syrians how they feel about Hezbollah.

bigyabai 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The fact that none of these were considered critical discussion points tells you just how desperate the US/Israel coalition is for a ceasefire.

It really does feel like the rescue op was a failed raid on Isfahan, and this is the Plan B.

brightball 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why would the US be desperate for a ceasefire?

maplethorpe 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Upcoming midterm elections and lack of public support for the war.

natpalmer1776 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lack of domestic support, lack of international support

the requirement for congressional approval if the conflict persists longer than 90 days from the first “military operation”

potential for escalation by various allies into a much more involved conflict

downstream impacts of Hormuz being impassable

among I’m sure several other reasons I’m not informed enough to point out.

Sabinus 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One preference the US public seems to reliably deliver via elections is the desire for lower prices.

fernandopj 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All those ships are needed for an easy win in Cuba.

goatlover 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because it's becoming another Middle East quagmire which the American public has very little patience for, and it's bad for Wall Street, bad for prices at the pump, and bad for the global economy.

AnimalMuppet 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, what I think it really tells you is that these just Iran's proposal. So far as I know, the US (and Israel) have not actually agreed to these.

I've seen several posts here saying that they have, but what I haven't seen is any evidence or links. Until I do, I reserve the right to believe that the US has not actually agreed to Iran's plan.

But my (grandparent) post was off. If these are Iran's proposed points, of course they're going to say that Israel stops attacking Hezbullah but that Iran is free to keep arming them.

halflife 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s amazing to me to see the amount of people willfully ignorant in this war, and having extremely short memory.

In June we had the 12th day war with Iran, it also ended with a ceasefire which continued to negotiations which collapsed and here we are.

Now, a ceasefire again, and people already claiming that Iran has won and trump accepted their demands.

I’ve seen people saying at first that Iran didnt agree to the ceasefire and then saying that they won’t open the strait. Completely oblivious people.

dinkumthinkum 10 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not oblivious. It's more willfully ignorant. Even that is not right. Most people are just so anti-America and anti-West that they side with actual despots and choose to believe strange things. If we send 10,000 bombs to Iran and lose an F-16E and have to search for a pilot for a few days, these people believe this means Iran has won the war. If China puts a balloon on our coast, these people believe China has defeated us militarily. I responded to a post the other day where someone was claiming Cuba could "easily" neutralize the entire U.S. Navy with a handful of drones or something.

chasd00 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If they would read the actual news the ceasefire is contingent on immediate opening of the strait. That’s the deal, open the strait and the bombing stops while we negotiate over the next two weeks.

swat535 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think this ceasefire is going to last as long as people think. It just gives a chance for everyone to bury the dead, resupply, rearm and continue the war.

bigyabai 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

By that logic, the US and Israel should have never offered a ceasefire and stuck to the regime change narrative. Accepting a ceasefire shows that America was never serious about controlling the Strait, and passes the initiative back to the Iran/China axis instead of straining it through a joint blockade. The tactics make zero sense, considering the objectives laid out at the start.

It's been weeks of war, America should have something to show for it. Right now, Iran has successfully used America's offer as a way to muzzle Israel in Lebanon and muster their own strength with Russia and China. Even from a Zionist perspective, this is a terrible result.

AnimalMuppet 11 hours ago | parent [-]

How does Iran's proposal, which neither the US nor Israel have accepted, muzzle Israel in Lebanon?

But I will agree that the tactics make zero sense.

bigyabai 10 hours ago | parent [-]

It passes Iran the initiative. Since the beginning of this war the onus has been on America and Israel to apply pressure and make Iran sue for peace. In terms of controlling the ground, the mass and structure of Iran's forces are nearly the same as when they started. There was no assistance from the Kurds, there was no coordinated multilateral assault with America's allies, nothing happened. Iran can regenerate their proxies and seek assistance while stringing America and Israel along on a proposal they won't sign.

From a strategic perspective America needs to deprive Iran of their allies. If they are serious about fighting this war, a line has to be drawn with Russia and China that prevents them from providing world-class reconnaissance. China particularly has to be economically sanctioned for their assistance, but the US Navy let them sail their tankers right through the Strait without a single PLAN vessel nearby. Opening the strait weakens Russia's (already battered) share of oil exports while rewarding China for supporting Iran and condemning the US. It's stupid.

From where I'm standing, last week would have been a great time for a Shock and Awe campaign to finish this off and make it a tidy weekend war for the folks back home. But we saw none of that, instead America is ostensibly cutting it's losses and (reportedly!!!) entertaining the same 10-point plan that concedes Iran's nuclear program and missile program to them.

idle_zealot 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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halflife 11 hours ago | parent [-]

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C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Iran funding terrorism across Europe

Provide strong evidence or retract your statement.

halflife 10 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rm14lkkvzo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burgas_bus_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iranian_operations_inside...

I can add more if that’s not “terroristy” enough for you.

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

1) In Germany, a man was arrested recently over a suspicion of belonging to Hamas and planning attacks. A suspicion. Belonging to Hamas.

2) Alleged by the authorities to have been done by Hezbollah.

3) Not Europe.

4) Not Europe, and it's been merely alleged by PM Albanese that the incident had anything to do with Iran.

> I can add more if that’s not “terroristy” enough for you.

Please do, as the ones above are really not meeting the bar.

LaMarseillaise 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Two of these are outside of Europe.

halflife 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Great job in being pedantic and missing the point.

LaMarseillaise 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It is not pedantic. You said that Iran funded terrorism “across Europe”. When asked for sources, half of what you provided was not relevant to the statement. I surmise you are arguing in bad faith.

halflife 3 hours ago | parent [-]

So if I said instead that they fund terrorism across the world you believe me?

idle_zealot 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Every state involved here is a sponsor of terrorism. If we had a real global liberal order all of their leaders would be in the Hague . There's only one directly doing genocide with expansionist ambitions, so I'm going to root against that one.

halflife 9 hours ago | parent [-]

lol at directly, meanwhile the houthis literally have “Death to America Death to Israel Curse on the Jews” written on their flag. You sure can pick the good guys.

idle_zealot 9 hours ago | parent [-]

The indirect perpetrator I was implying was the US. Saying "death to America/Israel" isn't doing a genocide, even if the words really really hurt your feelings.

dyauspitr 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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kaliqt 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So resistance against genocide is bad but the genocide is fine? There are clear good and bad guys here.

halflife 11 hours ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burgas_bus_bombing

Good ol genocidal Bulgaria I guess huh?

donkeybeer 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Strongly disagree with the attack of course but it claims the bus was full of Israelis so it's quite targeted and not against Bulgaria.

halflife 3 hours ago | parent [-]

so the good guys attack Bulgaria because Israel?

donkeybeer 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The bus supposedly only had Israelis. Israel attacked a neutral country Qatar with a missile to eliminate some supposed enemy agent to a civilian building, so I don't think they have any problems with this.

surgical_fire 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would Iran agree to any of this?

k33n 10 hours ago | parent [-]

So they don't get destroyed