| ▲ | josephg 11 hours ago |
| Super interesting. I wish this article wasn’t written by an LLM though. It feels soulless and plastic. |
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| ▲ | croemer 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Incidental finding: another blog posts was written by Claude and they admit it openly in the last paragraph (not earlier): A Note on the Process
To be clear about what happened here: Claude wrote this article.
https://www.juxt.pro/blog/what-we-learned-from-34-clojure-in... |
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| ▲ | ChrisRR 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not setting off any LLM alarm bells to me. It just reads like any other scientific article, which is very often soulless |
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| ▲ | Jolter 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It repeats a few points too many times for a professional writer to not catch it. I don’t mind that they let an LLM write the text, but they should at least have edited it. | |
| ▲ | bbstats 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | the subheadings are extremely AI IMHO | | |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Any specific sections that stick out? Juxt in the past had really great articles, even before LLMs, and know for a fact they don't lack the expertise or knowledge to write for themselves if they wanted and while I haven't completely read this article yet, I'd surprise me if they just let LLMs write articles for them today. |
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| ▲ | croemer 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Here's one tell-tale of many: "No alarm, no program light." Another one: "Two instructions are missing: [...] Four bytes." One more: "The defensive coding hid the problem, but it didn’t eliminate it." | | |
| ▲ | monooso 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's just writing. I frequently write like that. This insistence that certain stylistics patterns are "tell-tale" signs that an article was written by AI makes no sense, particularly when you consider that whatever stylistic ticks an LLM may possess are a result of it being trained on human writing. | | |
| ▲ | croemer 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | These are just some of the good examples I found. My hunch that this is substantially LLM-generated is based on more than that. In my head it's like a Bayesian classifier, you look at all the sentences and judge whether each is more or less likely to be LLM vs human generated. Then you add prior information like that the author did the research using Claude - which increases the likelihood that they also use Claude for writing. Maybe your detector just isn't so sensitive (yet) or maybe I'm wrong but I have pretty high confidence at least 10% of sentences were LLM-generated. Yes, the stylistic patterns exist in human speech but RLHF has increased their frequency. Also, LLM writing has a certain monotonicity that human writing often lacks. Which is not surprising: the machine generates more or less the most likely text in an algorithmic manner. Humans don't. They wrote a few sentences, then get a coffee, sleep, write a few more. That creates more variety than an LLM can. Fun exercise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AI_or_not_quiz | | |
| ▲ | monooso 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Here's an alternative way of thinking about this... Someone probably expended a lot of time and effort planning, thinking about, and writing an interesting article, and then you stroll by and casually accuse them of being a bone idle cheat, with no supporting evidence other than your "sensitive detector" and a bunch of hand-wavy nonsense that adds up to naught. | | |
| ▲ | xmcqdpt2 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To start, this is more or less an advertising piece for their product. It's pretty clear that they want to sell you Allium. And that's fine! They are allowed! But even if that was written by a human, they were compensated for it. They didn't expend lots of effort and thinking, it's their job. More importantly, it's an article about using Claude from a company about using Claude. I think on the balance it's very likely that they would use Claude to write their technical blog posts. | | |
| ▲ | monooso 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > They didn't expend lots of effort and thinking, it's their job. Your job doesn't require you to think or expend effort? |
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| ▲ | kenjackson 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | While I agree with the sentiment, using AI to write the final draft of the article isn’t cheating. People may not like it, but it’s more a stylistic preference. | | | |
| ▲ | bookofjoe 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yet another way the mere possibility of AI/LLM being involved diminishes the value of ALL text. If there is constant vigilance on the part of the reader as to how it was created, meaning and value become secondary, a sure path to the death of reading as a joy. |
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| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Those aren’t good examples - that’s just LLMs living for free in your head. |
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| ▲ | oscaracso 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I am reminded of the Simpsons episode in which Principal Skinner tries to pass off the hamburgers from a near-by fast food restaurant for an old family recipe, 'steamed hams,' and his guest's probing into the kitchen mishaps is met with increasingly incredible explanations. | |
| ▲ | brookst 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’m so glad the witch hunt has moved on to phrasing so I get less grief for my em dashes. | |
| ▲ | gcr 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | See also: “I'm Kenyan. I Don't Write Like ChatGPT. ChatGPT Writes Like Me” by Marcus Olang', https://marcusolang.substack.com/p/im-kenyan-i-dont-write-li... For what it’s worth, Pangram reports that Marcus’ article is 100% LLM-written: https://www.pangram.com/history/640288b9-e16b-4f76-a730-8000... | | |
| ▲ | croemer 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | In theory, wouldn't be too hard be to settle the question if whether he used ChatGPT to write it: get Olang to write a few paragraphs by hand, then have people judge (blindly) if it's the same style as the article. Which one sounds more like ChatGPT. | | |
| ▲ | jmalicki 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | When people judge blindly, the are more likely to think the human is the AI and the AI is the human. 73% judged GPT 4.5 (edit: had incorrectly said 4o before)to be the human. https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23674 Not only are people bad at judging this, but are directionally wrong. | | |
| ▲ | nothinkjustai 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is research showing the contrary that is far more convincing: > Our experiments show that annotators who frequently use LLMs for writing tasks excel at detecting AI-generated text, even without any specialized training or feedback. In fact, the majority vote among five such “expert” annotators misclassifies only 1 of 300 articles, significantly outperforming most commercial and open-source detectors we evaluated even in the presence of evasion tactics like paraphrasing and humanization. https://arxiv.org/html/2501.15654v2 | | |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The times I've written articles, and those have gone through multiple rounds of reviews (by humans) with countless edits each time, before it ends up being published, I wonder if I'd pass that test in those cases. Initial drafts with my scattered thoughts usually are very different from the published end results, even without involving multiple reviewers and editors. |
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| ▲ | 360MustangScope 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I hate that I can’t write em dashes freely anymore without people accusing the writing of being AI generated. Even though they are perfect for usage in writing down thoughts and notes. | | |
| ▲ | d1sxeyes 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | One thing you can try⸺admittedly it's not quite correct⸺is replacing them with a two-em dash. I've never seen an AI use one, and it looks pretty funky. | | | |
| ▲ | croemer 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have nothing against em dashes. As long as your writing is human, experienced readers will be able to tell it's human. Only less experienced ones will use all or nothing rules. Em dashes just increase the likelihood that the text was LLM generated. They aren't proof. | | |
| ▲ | brookst 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That nuance is lost on the majority of anti-AI folks who’ve learned they get positive social reactions by declaring essentially everything to be AI written and condemnable. “An em dash… they’re a witch!”… “it’s not just X, it’s Y… they’re a witch!” | | |
| ▲ | andersonpico 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > anti-AI folks who’ve learned they get positive social reactions by declaring essentially everything to be AI written and condemnable. that's a strawman alright; all the comments complaining how they can't use their writing style without being ganged up on are positive karma from my angle, so I'm not sure the "positive social reactions" are really aligned with your imagination. Or does it only count when it aligns with your persecution complex? | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | You have the same problem apparently. You think it’s okay to go witch hunting and accuse people with no real evidence. |
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| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Evidently there are no experienced readers who post AI accusations. | | |
| ▲ | gopher_space 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same weight as "there are no experienced men who'll ask a woman if she's pregnant." |
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| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why do you care what others accuse you of? |
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| ▲ | nothinkjustai 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, it’s pretty obviously AI written. Not sure why you’re running so much interference for them…are you affiliated with this company? | |
| ▲ | butlike 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | tapoxi 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is my exact writing style - I'm screwed. | | |
| ▲ | croemer 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I doubt you write like that. Where can I find your writing other than your comments which IMO don't read like the blog post? | | |
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| ▲ | TruffleLabs 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is just writing; terse maybe and maybe not grammatically correct, but people write like that. | | |
| ▲ | croemer 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not just terseness, it's the rhythm and "it's not x, it's y". In fact, the latter is the opposite of terseness. LLMs love to tell you what things are not way more than people do. See https://www.blakestockton.com/dont-write-like-ai-1-101-negat... (The irony that I started with "it's not just" isn't lost on me) | | |
| ▲ | wk_end 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > (The irony that I started with "it's not just" isn't lost on me) But an LLM wouldn't write "It's not just X, it's the Y and Z". No disrespect to your writing intended, but adding that extra clause adds just the slightest bit of natural slack to the flow of the sentence, whereas everything LLMs generate comes out like marketing copy that's trying to be as punchy and cloying as possible at all times. |
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| ▲ | djmips 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Here’s how the bug might have manifested." |
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| ▲ | gcr 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For what it’s worth, Pangram thinks this article is fully human-written: https://www.pangram.com/history/f5f68ce9-70ac-4c2b-b0c3-0ca8... |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The AI writing detectors are very unreliable. This is important to mention because they can trigger in the opposite direction (reporting human written text as AI generated) which can result in false accusations. It’s becoming a problem in schools as teachers start accusing students of cheating based on these detectors or ignore obvious signs of AI use because the detectors don’t trigger on it. | |
| ▲ | xmcqdpt2 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Then pangram isn't very good, because that article is full of Claude-isms. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > because that article is full of Claude-isms Not sure how I feel about the whole "LLMs learned from human texts, so now the people who helped write human texts are suddenly accused of plagiarizing LLMs" thing yet, but seems backwards so far and like a low quality criticism. | | |
| ▲ | snapcaster 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Real talk. You're not just making a good point -- you're questioning the dominant paradigm | | | |
| ▲ | xmcqdpt2 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm sure some human writers would write: > The specification forces this question on every path through the IMU mode-switching code. A reviewer examining BADEND would see correct, complete cleanup for every resource BADEND was designed to handle. > The specification approaches from the other direction: starting from LGYRO and asking whether any paths fail to clear it. > *Tests verify the code as written; a behavioural specification asks what the code is for.* However this is a blog post about using Claude for XYZ, from an AI company whose tagline is "AI-assisted engineering that unlocks your organization's potential" Do you really think they spent the time required to actually write a good article by hand? My guess is that they are unlocking their own organizations potential by having Claude writes the posts. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Do you really think they spent the time required to actually write a good article by hand? Given I'm familiar with Juxt since before, used plenty of their Clojure libraries in the past and hanged out with people from Juxt even before LLMs were a thing, yes, I do think they could have spent the time required to both research and write articles like these. Again, won't claim for sure I know how they wrote this specific article, but I'm familiar with Juxt enough to feel relatively confident they could write it. Juxt is more of a consultancy shop than "AI company", not sure where you got that from, guess their landing page isn't 100% clear what they actually does, but they're at least prominent in the Clojure ecosystem and has been for a decade if not more. | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your guess is worth what you paid for it. |
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| ▲ | DiffTheEnder 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is it possible for a tool to know if something is AI written with high confidence at all? LLMs can be tuned/instructed to write in an infinite number of styles. Don't understand how these tools exist. | | |
| ▲ | gcr 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | The WikiEDU project has some thoughts on this. They found Pangram good enough to detect LLM usage while teaching editors to make their first Wikipedia edits, at least enough to intervene and nudge the student. They didn’t use it punatively or expect authoritative results however. https://wikiedu.org/blog/2026/01/29/generative-ai-and-wikipe... They found that Pangram suffers from false positives in non-prose contexts like bibliographies, outlines, formatting, etc. The article does not touch on Pangram’s false negatives. I personally think it’s an intractable problem, but I do feel pangram gives some useful signal, albeit not reliably. |
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| ▲ | cameronh90 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It has Claude-isms, but it doesn't feel very Claude-written to me, at least not entirely. What's making it even more difficult to tell now is people who use AI a lot seem to be actively picking up some of its vocab and writing style quirks. | |
| ▲ | mbo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Pangram has a very low false positive rate, but not the best false negative rate: https://www.pangram.com/blog/third-party-pangram-evals | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You sound like a flat earther and a moon landing denier combined. |
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| ▲ | croemer 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Pangram doesn't reliably detect individual LLM-generated phrases or paragraphs among human written text. It seems to look at sections of ~300 words. And for one section at least it has low confidence. I tested it by getting ChatGPT to add a paragraph to one of my sister comments. Result is "100% human" when in fact it's only 75% human. Pangram test result: https://www.pangram.com/history/1ee3ce96-6ae5-4de7-9d91-5846... ChatGPT session where it added a paragraph that Pangram misses: https://chatgpt.com/share/69d4faff-1e18-8329-84fa-6c86fc8258... | | | |
| ▲ | timdiggerm 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So you're saying Pangram isn't worth much? |
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| ▲ | croemer 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And it turns out at least the part about Rust and locks is plain wrong. What a surprise: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=47676938&goto=item%3Fi... |
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| ▲ | jandrese 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| AI tends to write like it is getting paid by the word. This article wasn't too egregious but an editor could have improved it. |
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| ▲ | TruffleLabs 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Written by an LLM" based on what data or symptom? |
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| ▲ | ModernMech 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm starting to develop a physiological response when I recognize AI prose. Just like an overwhelming frustration, as if I'm hearing nails on chalkboard silently inside of my head. |
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| ▲ | voodooEntity 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I feel ya.... and i have to admit in the past i tried it for one article in my own blog thinking it might help me to express... tho when i read that post now i dont even like it myself its just not my tone. therefor decided not gonne use any llm for blogging again and even tho it takes alot more time without (im not a very motivated writer) i prefer to release something that i did rather some llm stuff that i wouldnt read myself. |
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| ▲ | monooso 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You have no evidence that it was. |
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| ▲ | NiloCK 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is the top reply on a substantial percentage of HN posts now and we should discourage it. It is: - sneering - a shallow dismissal (please address the content) - curmudgeonly - a tangential annoyance All things explicitly discouraged in the site guidelines. [1] Downvoting is the tool for items that you think don't belong on the front page. We don't need the same comment on every single article. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html |
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| ▲ | timdiggerm 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not a shallow dismissal; it's a dismissal for good reason. It's tangential to the topic, but not to HN overall. It's only curmudgeonly if you assume AI-written posts are the inevitable and good future (aka begging the question). I really don't know how it's "sneering", so I won't address that. | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s a dismissal with no evidence i.e. it’s a witch hunt. And no one should support that. | |
| ▲ | s08148692 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The fact that the whole thread has basically devolved into debates over if it is or isn't an LLM written article is proving well enough that it doesn't really matter one way or another | |
| ▲ | signatoremo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is a witch hunt with no evidence whatsoever, all based on intuition. It is distraction from the main topic, a topic that enough people find interesting to stay on the top page. What was intellectually interesting has now become a bore fest of repeated back and forth. That’s disrespectful and inconsiderate. Write a new post about why do you think AI writing is dangerous. I don’t mind that. I’d upvote it. |
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| ▲ | masklinn 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Downvoting is the tool for items that you think don't belong on the front page. You can’t downvote submissions. That’s literally not a feature of the site. You can only flag submissions, if you have more that 31 karma. | | |
| ▲ | ezfe 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And flagging is appropriate when you think content is not authentic | |
| ▲ | NiloCK 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Twelve year old account and who knows how much lurking before that and I've never noticed this. Good lord. Optimistically, I guess I can call myself some sort of live-and-let-live person. |
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| ▲ | bakugo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The site guidelines were written pre-AI and stop making sense when you add AI-generated content into the equation. Consider that by submitting AI generated content for humans to read, the statement you're making is "I did not consider this worth my time to write, but I believe it's worth your time to read, because your time is worth less than mine". It's an inherently arrogant and unbalanced exchange. | | |
| ▲ | NiloCK 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The site guidelines were written pre-AI and stop making sense when you add AI-generated content into the equation. Note: the guidelines are a living document that contain references to current AI tools. > Consider that by submitting AI generated content for humans to read, the statement you're making is "I did not consider this worth my time to write, but I believe it's worth your time to read, because your time is worth less than mine". It's an inherently arrogant and unbalanced exchange. This is something worth saying about a pure slop content. But the "charge" against the current item is that a reader encountered a feeling that an LLM was involved in the production of interesting content. With enough eyeballs, all prose contains LLM tells. We don't need to be told every time someone's personal AI detection algorithm flags. It's a cookie-banner comment: no new information for the reader, but a frustratingly predictable obstacle to scroll through. | | |
| ▲ | bakugo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | We wouldn't need any personal AI detection algorithm flags if the authors simply stated up front that their content is AI generated. But they won't do that, because deep down they feel shameful about it (as they should). |
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| ▲ | monooso 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No idea why you're being downvoted. I've done my bit to redress the balance, I hope others do the same. |
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| ▲ | rudhdb773b 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not to single out your comment, but it feels like it's gotten to the point where HN could use a rule against complaining about AI generated content. It seems like almost every discussion has at least someone complaining about "AI slop" in either the original post or the comments. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I disagree. I like to read articles and explore Show HN posts, but in the past 6 months I’ve wasted a lot of time following HN links that looked interesting but turned out to be AI slop. Several Show HN posts lately have taken me to repos that were AI generated plagiarisms of other projects, presented on HN as their own original ideas. Seeing comments warning about the AI content of a link is helpful to let others know what they’re getting into when they click the link. For this article the accusations are not about slop (which will waste your time) but about tell-tell signs of AI tone. The content is interesting but you know someone has been doing heavy AI polishing, which gives articles a laborious tone and has a tendency to produce a lot of words around a smaller amount of content (in other words, you’re reading an AI expansion of someone’s smaller prompt, which contained the original info you’re interested in) Being able to share this information is important when discussing links. I find it much more helpful than the comments that appear criticizing color schemes, font choices, or that the page doesn’t work with JavaScript disabled. | | |
| ▲ | croemer 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > you’re reading an AI expansion of someone’s smaller prompt, which contained the original info you’re interested in This got me thinking: what if LLMs are used to do the opposite? To condense a long prompt into a short article? That takes more work but might make the outcome more enjoyable as it contains more information. | | |
| ▲ | Aerolfos 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | > This got me thinking: what if LLMs are used to do the opposite? To condense a long prompt into a short article? That takes more work but might make the outcome more enjoyable as it contains more information. You're fighting an uphill battle against the inherent tendency to produce more and longer text. There's also the regression to the mean problem, so you get less information (and more generic) even though the text is shorter. Basically, it doesn't work |
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| ▲ | chrisjj 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You're suggesting this is the complainant's fault? | | |
| ▲ | rudhdb773b 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes. These HN guidlines already basically cover it: > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. > Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. | | |
| ▲ | chrisjj 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Yes. These HN guidlines already basically cover it: >> Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. >> Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. They don't. people. tangential. |
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| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, because all of them are now irrational about the possibility of LLM writing something they read. |
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| ▲ | Gigachad 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | HN has gotten to the point where it’s not even worth clicking the link because of course it’s ai slop. There is some real content in the haystack, but we almost need some kind of curator to find and display it rather than a vote system where most people vote on the title alone. | | |
| ▲ | brookst 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you’re looking for a place that surfaces only human-written content regardless of whether it’s interesting, rather than interesting content regardless of how it was written, HN is not the place. There might be a market for your alternative though. Should be easy enough to build with Claude Code. | | |
| ▲ | bakugo 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | If the content was interesting, the author would've written about it himself. By asking AI to write the article for you, you're asserting that the subject matter is not interesting enough to be worth your time to write, so why would it be worth my time to read? | | |
| ▲ | Gigachad 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | You just need AI to read it for you and summarise back in to the original prompt. |
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| ▲ | malcolmjuxt 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I know the author personally. He's hardly the type of person to publish AI slop. Read his other articles and watch his talks, this is very much Henry's literary style. | | |
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| ▲ | furyofantares 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Stop voting up slop articles and I'll stop commenting on it. | | |
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| ▲ | mpalmer 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've seen way, way worse. Either someone LLM-polished something they already wrote, or they did their own manual editing pass. The short sentence construction is the most suspicious, but I actually don't see anything glaring. It normally jumps out and hits me in the face. |
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| ▲ | iJohnDoe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I did not get any “written by LLM vibes”. I enjoyed it and it pulled me in to keep reading. Who gives a crap if it was written by an LLM. Read it or don’t read it. Your choice. If it conveys the idea and your learn something new, then it’s mission accomplished. |
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