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How Complex is my Code?(philodev.one)
95 points by speckx 5 days ago | 18 comments
klabb3 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From 20y experience and CS degree, I see software engineering as a constant struggle against accidental complexity. Like quicksand, every movement you make will pull you deeper, even swimming in the right direction. And like entropy, it governs all things (there are no subfields that are free of complexity). It even seems impossible to give a meaningful, useful definition, perhaps by necessity. All is dark.

But now and then, something beautiful happens. Something that used to be dreadful, becomes "solved". Not in the mathematical strict sense, but some abstraction or some tool eliminates an entire class of issues, and once you know it you can barely imagine living without it. That's why I keep coming back to it, I think.

As a species, I think we are in the infancy stages of software engineering, and perhaps CS as well. There's still lots of opportunity to find better abstractions, big & small.

appplication 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This was really well written and I agree with you completely. Though I am not so optimistic as a species we have much runway left to get meaningfully much farther out of that infancy.

As tech progresses and those abstractions become substantially more potent, it only amplifies the ability of small groups to use them to massively shape the world to their vision.

On the more benign side of this is just corporate greed and extraordinary amplification of wealth inequality. On the other side is authoritarian governments and extremist groups.

Droobfest 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Wealth inequality is a direct cause of authoritarianism and is not benign.

Joel_Mckay 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Perhaps, but generally annoying millions of technology people tends not to end well for firms. Usually the market simply evolves to better match the fiscal conditions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_exclusion_principl...

The Internet itself will likely further fracture into different ecosystems. =3

vbezhenar 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you provide some examples of these beautiful abstractions or tools?

stephbook 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Memory garbage collection, borrow checker, compile-time static typing in dynamic languages (Typescript, Python).

Language specific for JavaScript: Strict comparison operator === that disables type coercion, together with banning ==.

== allows "5" equals 5.

kelsey98765431 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Take message queues. ZMQ and the like have basically solved message passing which was a ghastly thing to worry about for many years.

whattheheckheck 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Read The Linux Programming Interface book

maxnk 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Related problem I've been exploring lately: finding which files are most worth refactoring, with complexity as one of the inputs.

I've built a small, opinionated tool for that [1]. It can rank files by a "Refactor Priority" score based on structural signals - size, callable burden, cyclomatic complexity, nesting - with churn and co-change from local git history layered on top.

It's more of an exploratory tool than a general solution, but it's been practically useful for quickly spotting painful files.

Part of why it was built: keeping coding agents in check. They tend to produce code that gets complex fast, don't feel the complexity building up, and eventually start making changes that break things. So the tool helps me catch files that are getting out of hand before that happens. It can also generate a refactoring prompt explaining why a given file is problematic - as a conversation starter for the agent.

The article gave me a few more metric ideas to try, thanks.

[1] https://github.com/etechlead/token-map

runningmike an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To do a Simple Cyclomatic Complexity check, operating on the principle that secure systems are simple systems, you can use https://github.com/nocomplexity/codeaudit or try the wasm version on https://nocomplexity.com/codeauditapp/dashboardapp.html

Complexity directly impacts security. Simple systems are: Maintainable: Easier to change and manage. Reliable: Less prone to logic errors. Testable: Easier to validate and test.

kuzivaai 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

appreciate this!

mherrmann 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Claude Code and others often write code that is more complex than it needs to be. It would be nice to measure the code complexity before and after a change made by the agent, and then to tell it: "You increased code complexity by 7%. Can you find a simpler solution?".

patrulek an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You dont need to measure the code complexity, you can completely hallucinate those numbers if you feel that code is too complex and then watch how LLM will respond.

fowlie 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

> if you feel that code is too complex

Now you're assuming a human is actually trying to understand the code. What a world we live in (sarcasm).

joshribakoff an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Thats how you end up goodhearts lawing your way into simplicity eg duplicate code. Thats like the whole takeaway of the article at least for me.

wxw 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wonderful article, thanks for sharing. These complexity definitions and the connection to linguistic complexity are useful. Also enjoyed this line:

> The cognitive complexity of a function can only be determined by the reader, and only caring about the reader can enable the writer to improve the learning experience.

AnonyMD 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a very informative article. I hadn't really considered the complexity of the code before, so this is very helpful.

Joel_Mckay 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Spiral development with dependency injection is avoidable. A zero-cost solution is enforcing workmanship standards, well documented simple/clean design-patterns, and doxygen discipline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_10:_Rules_for_Dev...

Maintainable coding practices are a skill like any other. =3