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quantified 5 hours ago

A bit of a feeling of "so what" here. Maybe he's less trustworthy than some. We have people of X trustworthiness running the government, crypto exchanges, a certain space exploration and satellite company, social media companies, and so on. We know their trustworthiness. Isn't the real issue how to cope?

boc 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What's the point of living in an advanced society if you just sit around watching it decay around you? Our ancestors fought for our indifference today, and with attitudes like yours we'll watch our children fight for it again tomorrow.

quantified 2 hours ago | parent [-]

What's your proposal? We knew he's as trustworthy as the others, and it sounds like you agree. What are you doing about them? Legally or illegally?

Mostly we don't need 3,000 words on how untrustworthy he is. We could use 3,000 words on how to remove his influence.

Boxxed 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Your point is that it's ok he's untrustworthy because lots of people in power are?

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Your point is that it's ok he's untrustworthy because lots of people in power are?

It's...weirdly a valid question. If Sam fibs as much as the next guy, we don't have a Sam problem. Focussing on him alon is, best case, a waste of resources. Worst case, it's distracting from real evil. If, on the other hand, as this reporting suggests, Sam is an outlier, then focussing on him does make sense.

quantified 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure where I said it's OK? Please point it out.

We have to deal with it. Or are you suggesting we should purchase a controlling interest and vote him off the board?

TheOtherHobbes 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, it's that the entire ecosystem is rotten to the core, and it actively selects, rewards, and protects flawed personality types.

And when you're dealing with a potential existential threat, this is an existential problem.

Rury 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't disagree, but at some point, I think people need to understand we're dealing with laws of nature here. I mean just look at human history, this has been a problem since the dawn of civilization...

I think if you truly understand social contract theory, how hierarchies are formed, and political theory, you'll realize that oligarchies tend to be nature's equilibrium point for setting social disputes, and all forms of governments regardless of whatever they claim to be, naturally devolve towards them as they represent the highest social entropy (ie equilibrium) state. That's not to say you can't have or move further away from that point and towards another (supposed ideal) form of government, you absolutely can, but it takes work. Perpetual work - of which no set of "rules" can remedy people of having to do in order to sustain it.

The problem however, is most people get complacent. They eventually tire of that work, or are ignorant, and by doing so create a power vacuum which allows things slide back towards that state.

As so, people must decide for themselves one of several possible avenues to pursue:

#1 - Try to convince others (the masses) to join and work together to take power from the few back to them

#2 - Find a way to join the ranks of the elite few (which thanks to the prisoner's dilemma, unscrupulous means tends to perform better in the short term, even if at the cost of the long term)

#3 - Settle for their lot in life

Unfortunately #1 is such a difficult proposition given it requires winning agreement among many whilst many often decide to remain in camp #3 (for complacency/ignorance reasons). And #2 is often easier done without moral integrity, especially at the behest of those in camp #3 whose behavior only helps enable these realities. Thus, is why I think the "ecosystem" as you say, will always tend towards this way - where society tends towards being controlled by an elite few who are rotten.

Robert Michel's realized this and dubbed it the Iron Law of Oligarchy and embraced his own version of #2 for himself. Although, he came to this conclusion through his own observations and reasoning, rather than through historical political theory.