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pavel_lishin 6 hours ago

> What the site was is that, I had scraped data for all students at IIT Delhi, and made a profile for all of them.

> anyone could make an anonymous account, and then comment anything on anyone's profile.

Oh, good, they made a harassment factory.

jfjfnfnfnrbdb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So he watched the social network then

areoform 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It doesn't matter. This is how Facebook started. It's how a lot of things started.

Young people doing (sometimes questionable) experiments.

The fact that the default response to this is "omg" and "this guy deserves to be in prison" is an indication of the dark times we're headed towards. A society unable to tolerate deviance from the norm, is a society that will fail to adapt to inevitable changes to the norm. And the norms are changing.

I am pretty pro-privacy. And yes, I find it to be fairly thoughtless, but that's no reason for coercive intimidation. The fact that this was the reaction to someone doing an experiment speaks poorly about the society it took place in, and explains why there haven't been any major breakthroughs - in consumer tech, science or the arts – from within that country.

More generally, HN's reaction is disappointing. This is a very hacker thing to do. Hackers have always been people out at the edge doing things that get them into trouble. The fact that most people on HN want to crush that rebelliousness – that hacker spirit – is sad to me.

I think there's a dark undercurrent in global culture, where people would rather live in a world where they're poor but able to control others as opposed to one where they're wealthy but unable to exert control over others.

SimianSci 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If this were completely uncharted territory, you might have a leg to stand on here. But you are correct that this is exactly how Facebook started, and we know exactly how that goes, the poster is correct that this just leads to harassment at scale.

The author's response was the main problem, showing a complete lack of character or ethical concern. There is a world of difference between being a hacker with a sense of rebelliousness and a jerk who thinks there should be zero consequences to their actions.

Dylan16807 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If we're using the Facebook example to call this unacceptable, we should really be fighting a lot harder against Facebook itself. Because it still has a reasonably positive reputation overall and it's affecting billions of people.

altairprime a minute ago | parent | next [-]

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alsetmusic 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> If we're using the Facebook example to call this unacceptable, we should really be fighting a lot harder against Facebook itself.

I don't think many here would disagree with you.

> Because it still has a reasonably positive reputation overall and it's affecting billions of people.

I'm gonna disagree with you. Maybe it's because I live in the Bay Area so the culture is affected by the proximity of tech companies. But my family in the middle of the country mostly seem to be on the same page, so I don't know how you explain that. It may be that I'm drawn to people who care about these topics and some degree of sameness is expected within family dynamics resulting from the parents' values raising us. Whatever.

I think a good portion of society considers FB a garbage product but don't know of an alternative and just accept it for what it is. I think a smaller portion of society recognizes that they are amoral and terrible for society. How many countries have now discussed legislation to limit kids accessing social media (whether you agree or disagree)? That didn't spring out of nowhere fully formed. Years of criticism got us there.

chrisweekly 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"There is a world of difference between being a hacker with a sense of rebelliousness and a jerk who thinks there should be zero consequences to their actions."

Given the external consequences of certain actions, for all intents and purposes that "world of difference" may exist only inside their skull.

space_fountain 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think this person belongs in prison, but the internet also isn't the place it was in 2004? You do bear responsibility for what you do online, and this was irresponsible. We should encourage kids and others to experiment and make mistakes, but the kid shouldn't have put up this website and should have taken it down as a responsible member of the community

jjulius 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Go, have your fun, experiment, fuck around, push boundaries. Don't make profiles for me based on info you found, public or not, and then sign me up to receive notifications for messages on it without my permission.

Yeah, Facebook started in college, but it didn't start with scraped data and auto-generated profiles.

kazinator 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I suppose it would be worse without the notifications, even though they are form of spam, because then you wouldn't know what some anonymous posters are writing under a purported profile of yours.

tokai 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Facemash, Mark's pre-facebook project, was a page to vote on student attractiveness, with names and pictures of female students scraped from Harvard.

kstrauser 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I will not hold my breath waiting for someone to defend him.

jjulius 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah, true, I forgot that bit. My bad. Still, though... oof.

watwut 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And zuckenberg turned out to be an asshole later, creating products that cause harm and supporting Trump.

So, it all checks out.

kazinator 4 hours ago | parent [-]

For values of "later" equivalent to "at that point".

kazinator 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Speaking of which, the author is possibly an even bigger asshole than Zuckerberg. Oh you don't like what anonymous somebodies wrote about you under a profile you didn't even create yourself (because I did it for you)? Why suck my dick!

zeruch an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"A society unable to tolerate deviance from the norm, is a society that will fail to adapt to inevitable changes to the norm" I feel the same way about societies that continue to fail lessons of history and repeat the same damaging (and often easily avoided) idiocy.

bittercynic 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think "this is how facebook started" is much of a defense.

adjejmxbdjdn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m pretty sure thefacebook didn’t scrape data. It was also private.

I got into trouble in college which nearly became a police matter simply for scraping emails. I didn’t even store the data. I was just testing a tool that I had created and actually found a data bug in the college’s IT system where it gave me access to all the emails instead of access to only the group that I was supposed to be part of.

If it wasn’t for the fact that I self reported (actually I reported the bug to IT thinking I would be rewarded, lol) it would have become a police matter. Because I self reported before they reached out to me the Dean and college President let it remain a code of conduct violation.

BugsJustFindMe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The fact that the default response to this is "omg" and "this guy deserves to be in prison"

Straw man fallacy. Literally nobody here has said he deserves to be in prison.

> This is a very hacker thing to do. Hackers have always been people out at the edge doing things that get them into trouble.

It saddens me that you don't recognize a difference between "thing that gets you in trouble" and "thing that harms others". Getting in trouble is not the problem here.

cucumber3732842 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>I think there's a dark undercurrent in global culture, where people would rather live in a world where they're poor but able to control others as opposed to one where they're wealthy but unable to exert control over others.

I agree-ish with everything generally except this. I don't think this is a global thing at all. I think this is at best a subset of people in mostly western nations.

That said, I no fan of the author or his actions (which paint him like a real jerk). The facts don't really support the benefit of the doubt you're giving him here.

IndySun 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great swathes of adult nations vote for and tolerate idiocracy writ large, whilst young people are trying something, anything, in a strange new society. I can't always agree so I stop and think more, if it's not already too late.

Invictus0 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's not 1999 anymore. you can't create malicious sites and then cry "I'm just a nerdy teeeeen" afterwards

antonymoose 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Devil’s Advocate: I would expect a dumb teen to not understand the history and blast radius of social media like a former teen that grew up on that trash did.

adjejmxbdjdn 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Devil’s devil’s advocate.

He had several rounds of warnings before things escalated (not counting the local bully).

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ImPostingOnHN 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The author explained that he had watched (and quoted) The Social Network, in which Zuckerberg gets in academic trouble for doing exactly this.

Invictus0 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Huh? This is not a "dumb teen" smoking weed in the parking lot, this is a student at IIT Delhi, which has a sub 1% acceptance rate and is one of the most elite schools in the world, that is smart enough to make a social media app.

crote 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

> this is a student at IIT Delhi, which has a sub 1% acceptance rate and is one of the most elite schools in the world

Elite schools are full of dumb people. Being good at math doesn't automatically give you emotional intelligence.

> that is smart enough to make a social media app

What, like it's hard? I could've sworn making a Twitter clone was in plenty of "Programming for Dummies" books during the 2010s - and they didn't even have access to LLMs!

bigstrat2003 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can in fact do that. Kids do stupid things all the time. We need to teach them, not ostracize them.

Invictus0 2 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/6/5/2021-offers-resc...

hackable_sand 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Thank you for this comment.

I printed it out so I could paste it on my toddler thrashing machine :)

dmitrygr 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh, good, they made TheFacebook

morkalork 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah but, after the first of anything the ladder must be pulled up.

ThrowawayTestr 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's an indictment of humanity not the creator.